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Hello list members.
I'd like to direct this post to those that develop code for BSD.
I'd like a start developing software, and in turn, contribute to
projects like BSD and others. Right now, I'm working as a
sysadmin/infosec person. I can write some simple perl and shell scripts,
but that's about it.
Do you have any recommendations on how I should get started?
* Community college courses?
* College courses?
* Self-study books?
I am aware that it will take a number of years before I can contribute
quality code.
I'm asking the BSD folks for recommendations because I think the
project goals are conducive to writing good software. I also think the
quality of code in this project is superior to the alternatives.
Any help or recommendations would be appreciated.
-joe
No.1 | | 1249 bytes | |
I asked a similar question on here recently and had some good books
recommended to me. This relates to C programming.

As a starting point, until my books arrive, I have been working from
this online primer, which is getting me going:

Hope that helps in some way.

Good luck.

Craig

Tue, 2006-01-03 at 14:35 -0800, Joe S wrote:
Hello list members.

I'd like to direct this post to those that develop code for BSD.

I'd like a start developing software, and in turn, contribute to
projects like BSD and others. Right now, I'm working as a
sysadmin/infosec person. I can write some simple perl and shell scripts,
but that's about it.

Do you have any recommendations on how I should get started?
* Community college courses?
* College courses?
* Self-study books?

I am aware that it will take a number of years before I can contribute
quality code.

I'm asking the BSD folks for recommendations because I think the
project goals are conducive to writing good software. I also think the
quality of code in this project is superior to the alternatives.

Any help or recommendations would be appreciated.
-joe
No.2 | | 1806 bytes | |
We all have our favorite beginer, advanced and reference book(s) for C but I
prefer:

Begin: ISBN 0-393-96945-2 || C Programming: A Modern Aproach by K. N. King
( A real spoon feeder )
Middle: ISBN 0201433079 || Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
( get some interesting things done )
Advanced: Experience
( find an unsupported wireless card and build support for it )
Reference: ISBN 0131103628 || The C Programming Language (2nd Edition)

Quoting Craig McCormick <mccraigy (AT) googlemail (DOT) com>:

I asked a similar question on here recently and had some good books
recommended to me. This relates to C programming.

As a starting point, until my books arrive, I have been working from
this online primer, which is getting me going:

Hope that helps in some way.

Good luck.

Craig

Tue, 2006-01-03 at 14:35 -0800, Joe S wrote:
Hello list members.

I'd like to direct this post to those that develop code for BSD.

I'd like a start developing software, and in turn, contribute to
projects like BSD and others. Right now, I'm working as a
sysadmin/infosec person. I can write some simple perl and shell scripts,
but that's about it.

Do you have any recommendations on how I should get started?
* Community college courses?
* College courses?
* Self-study books?

I am aware that it will take a number of years before I can contribute
quality code.

I'm asking the BSD folks for recommendations because I think the
project goals are conducive to writing good software. I also think the
quality of code in this project is superior to the alternatives.

Any help or recommendations would be appreciated.
-joe
No.3 | | 663 bytes | |
thing you will *NT* find in any college courses are system-level
coding principles & practices. S code is written in C, which is FAR
different than 'application level' coding taught in the vast majority of
courses.

Im taking a university degree that teaches unix system programming in
solaris in the second year. So you never know. Im only in the first
year at the moment, so I dont know how good quality It will be.
Unfortunatley they taught java in the 1st year, so I imagine they will
spend most of the time teaching the basics of C, then barely scratch
the surface of the UNIX api.

Regards

Edd
No.4 | | 1366 bytes | |
Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:06:02PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
thing you will *NT* find in any college courses are system-level
coding principles & practices. S code is written in C, which is FAR
different than 'application level' coding taught in the vast majority of
courses.

L.V. - the school I went to did have a small handful of courses that
did include labs/assignments/projects that included this type of
programming. Most of the curriculum was based on more abstract
notions, but there are some systems-oriented courses. The
undergraduate S class I took, for example, invovled writing a memory
manager and a shell. The graduate S class I took included a "write
your own S" project. We also had a compiler course that involved
writing your own compiler, etc, etc.

Also:

1) Read code
2) Play with code
[snip]
et seq.

I think you get the idea. The only way to write S code is to basically
teach yourself.

While your higher-ed experience may have been different than mine, I
totally agree that writing and reading code is the best thing you can
do to learn.

I might add that one thing that has helped me to figure out what code
to read and what to write is to identify something *I* would like to
see implemented, and try to implement it myself.

bc
No.5 | | 997 bytes | |
Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:35:12 -0800
Joe S <js.lists (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

Do you have any recommendations on how I should get started?
* Community college courses?
* College courses?

Always helpful, if you're not in full time employment.

* Self-study books?

Probably the best source of information. Choose UNIX environment
programming books, they're the most informative. I like this one
currently: , covers
lots, probably not much good to a beginner, so if it's C you're
interested in, try this:

College courses can be a bit useless unless it covers what you really
want to know. you will spend three years on a degree course to
just learn to code, and that sounds like a waste of time to me. If you
want to learn programming, spend 30 mins on the loo with a good book in
your hands, it's worth 10 hours in the class room (added geek points if
you have a wireless network and it's the pdf).

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