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    I don't know, James. I've used BSD for a wide array of
    functions. Seems to me that there's an equal amount of
    software and utilities available for it as there is for
    Linux. I even use it as an alternative to ancient Solaris on
    my SparcBook 3GS, and it's fully useable as a workstation.
    a reasonably quick system, it's even better.
    BSD is "different", there's no argument about that. However,
    it's not so different that Linux should be beating it out of
    useful functions due to a lack of software.
    Then the problem is clear. If someone like myself thinks that BSD
    doesn't have a well rounded selection of software then how can we expect
    average joes to know. Without a "company" and a marketing budget I don't
    know how to get the word out, but it happened for Linux and I'm sure it
    could happened for the BSD's.
    My only experience with BSD is with "appliances" (F5 3DNS and such). I
    liked it and found it to be very fast and stable.
    GEEKS:
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    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:13:47AM -0400, James Fogg wrote:

    Then the problem is clear. If someone like myself thinks that BSD
    doesn't have a well rounded selection of software then how can we expect
    average joes to know. Without a "company" and a marketing budget I don't
    know how to get the word out, but it happened for Linux and I'm sure it
    could happened for the BSD's.

    There is a company that sells a version of BSD with a well rounded
    selection of software. APPLE.

    To me it's the best of both worlds. It has the easy to use, designed for
    idiots applications that I can use without investing the time to be
    a "power user" (oh, do I hate that term) and BSD underneath.

    Geoff.
  • No.2 | | 606 bytes | |

    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:13:47AM -0400, James Fogg wrote:

    Then the problem is clear. If someone like myself thinks that BSD
    doesn't have a well rounded selection of software then how can we expect
    average joes to know. Without a "company" and a marketing budget I don't
    know how to get the word out, but it happened for Linux and I'm sure it
    could happened for the BSD's.

    I agree in theory. However, I'm not sure BSD *needs* that type of exposure.
    Could visibility be increased? Certainly. However, I don't know that they
    necessarily want that.
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    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 09:57:50AM -0400, geeks (AT) litfire (DOT) com wrote:
    James Fogg said:
    My only experience with BSD is with "appliances" (F5 3DNS and such). I
    liked it and found it to be very fast and stable.

    Interestingly enough, F5 has moved to Linux.

    See! SEEEE!!!!

    Those BigIP boxen were magnificent just the way they were. Next I suppose
    someone will tell me that the Nokia IP-series boxen will be moving to Linux
    as well.
  • No.4 | | 860 bytes | |

    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 10:44:24AM -0400, geeks (AT) litfire (DOT) com wrote:
    Kurt Huhn said:
    >See! SEEEE!!!!
    >

    Those BigIP boxen were magnificent just the way they were. Next I suppose
    someone will tell me that the Nokia IP-series boxen will be moving to
    Linux as well.

    of the benefits $employer sees in the move to Linux is the fact that
    under version 9 (with Linux), the BigIP has JRE 1.4.2, which allows us to
    use "External" monitors to check the health of an application with a Java
    API. That wasn't about to happen with their hacked up BSDI.

    And the *other* marketing buzzword rears it's head.

    Don't get me wrong, I know that Linux and Java have their place, but I don't
    understand why they're being used in places where a better tool is available.
  • No.5 | | 284 bytes | |

    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 04:16:22PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
    There is a company that sells a version of BSD with a well rounded
    selection of software. APPLE.
    I heard rumors that due to S X, Apple is now the largest UNIX-based S
    vendor in the world.
    Bill
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    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:39:38PM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 04:16:22PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
    >There is a company that sells a version of BSD with a well rounded
    >selection of software. APPLE.
    >

    I heard rumors that due to S X, Apple is now the largest UNIX-based S
    vendor in the world.

    Didn't Steve claim that when S X started shipping?

    Is Darwin UNIX [TM] Certified?
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    Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:43:04PM -0500, Michael Parson wrote:
    Is Darwin UNIX [TM] Certified?
    I'm not sure about now - but I think Apple got in hot water with The
    Group over one of their "UNIX" ads a year or two ago.
    Bill
  • No.8 | | 2875 bytes | |

    Wednesday 03 August 2005 09:13, James Fogg wrote:

    Then the problem is clear. If someone like myself thinks that BSD
    doesn't have a well rounded selection of software then how can we expect
    average joes to know. Without a "company" and a marketing budget I don't
    know how to get the word out, but it happened for Linux and I'm sure it
    could happened for the BSD's.

    BSD *DES NT* have as well rounded a selection of software in some areas
    though, especially on the desktop, and certain realtime niches. Just because
    the code is out there for UNIX, doesn't necessarily mean it is well tested
    outside of the origin system.

    A lot of new code now is developed on Linux rather than Solaris, DEC UNIX,
    *BSD, etc. It is therefore usually much more fully debugged and polished on
    Linux platforms. Things work smoother, have fewer system related bugs, and
    are usually released for Linux first.

    Linux is also pragmatic. Yes, there are some very vocal zealots who will
    cripple software for political reasons, but most of them aren't like that.
    Their primary drive is traditional UNIX: get work done.

    BSD, especially in earlier years, was often hung up in ivory-tower snobbery,
    and a reluctance to make drastic but necessary changes to the S. I think
    the fast-forward drive of Linux has helped force BSD to progress faster, and
    despite the chaos of FreeBSD 5.x, recently forward moves by both FreeBSD and
    NetBSD have been good. NetBSD's team did a smoother job (they rule
    of course), but I think FreeBSD 5.x is now starting to show the benefits of
    the changes.

    Not everything about Linux is bad nor is its popularity all marketing. It
    does a very good job in a lot of areas, and there are perfectly valid reasons
    for using it. The 2.6 kernel series in particular made big leaps forward,
    especially on high end hardware, and their varied filesystems and large Linux
    based projects have given people a lot of experience with high end
    applications and the changes needed to support it.

    I think in the near future we are going to see more of BSD, and already I've
    noticed more participation in UNIX desktop programming from BSD hackers.
    NetBSD 3.x and FreeBSD 5.x are critical releases, and should get more
    attention than past releases. I'm hoping that we'll see more visibility in
    spite of Linux corporate stupidity.

    My personal hope is to one day be able to move my desktop to NetBSD. Right
    now I just can't get the hardware support I need. All my servers run NetBSD
    since I started replacing Solaris with NetBSD about 5 years ago.

    But for PCs, right now, Linux does a better job. Driver support is the big
    issue, and better testing of desktop applications.

    GEEKS:

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