I've used Delphi since the year it was released and have used nothing
else for serious production work since that time (though I've studied
any number of alternatives). I totally agree it is the best Win32
development tool around. And, I greatly prefer Pascal to C and its
children or any version of Basic. But, the handwriting is on the
wall. If Borland had announced the "DevCo" idea after they actually
had a plan (better yet, a buyer) in place, it would be one thing. But,
they didn't did they? And, Lazarus is a great idea if you're into
hobby programming, but it has a very long way to go if it is to compete
in the real world. Finally, the people using my products tell me they
want NET and they want it soon, whether they have good reasons or not.
So, with great regret, I am in the process of making the move to VS.NET
and C#. The experience is not painless - NET has many good points, but
there are some really bad ideas mixed in. In any case, I have never
been a Microsoft fan. I bitch about it constantly, but I am forcing
myself to stick with it because it's quickly becoming the only
alternative. This isn't the first time I had to abandon excellent
tools becuase the vendor (but not the tools) failed me. It is never
much fun, but sometimes there just isn't any choice.
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I've been using Delphi for 7 years, from Delphi 1 (and I've been using
Borland Pascal before,) and I use to think that Delphi was the best.
However, about three years ago, I was sensing that the market goes in
another direction, and not for once Borland was playing games with its
developer base (remember Inprise episod? Borland C++ which iritated
Microsoft? JBuilder which was eclipsed by Eclipse? C#Builder?
Delphi.Net? what about Sidekick?!? Kylix? - I still think that Borland
was good only at Delphi for Windows, while its market strategy sucks!)
So, three years ago I've reoriented myself to .Net.
Net 1.1 was a mess, but worked. These days I'm on .Net 2.0 and is
preaty good, maybe as good as Delphi 5!
I've done some research in Avalon, and - believe me, what is comming
will change everything for everybody! (Avalon will unify the
development for S with development for Web.)
In the end a developer has to do what a developer has to do: go with
the market, and I agree, Delphi is no more on the market, and what's
left of it, will go out soon. 8^( What do you figure yourself working
with five years from now?

Horia

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:49:43 +0200
From: Micha? Wo?niak <mikiwoz (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [delphi-en] Delphi and where it's going
To: delphi-en (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com


>I've used Delphi since the year it was released and have used nothing
>else for serious production work since that time (though I've studied
>any number of alternatives). I totally agree it is the best Win32
>development tool around.
>
I know I will be repeating myself here, but have you given Lazarus a try? I
know "Source" sounds "not seriouss stuff", but I am sure that that is
changing fast and that Lazarus has some great potential - and has it right
now.

By the way, it seems both scary and entertaining to watch how people ignore
some good and cheap (free?) solutions just because they're cheap/free ("nah,
a cheap/free thing can't be good") - vide Lazarus, FPC, Linux, Apache, the
list is as long as it gets.

Cheers
Mike
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Well my history has been similar to the one below; turbo pascal 4,5,6,7
then turbo pascal for windows then delphi 1 to 7 (never really bothered
about delphi past 7) and well to me it seems almost a big mix of either
borland for one, the pascal language two and delphi - which was created
by borland *around* the pascal language so here are my thoughts on all three

borland has always been pretty confused from the first days of
purchasing word perfect then dbase from ashton tate and had its borland
office suite which it sold off, the mishaps with the inprise episode,
the messup with interbase (making it open source then closing it again)
so borland as a company might be the reason for the fall of delphi as
much as i think delphi is the *best* development tool (and note: i say
development tool; not language) for win32 owing to borlands fast(est)
pascal compiler and inginuety of the delphi language creators. so thumbs
down for borland.

second, the pascal language is the closest to c and c++ i've seen, and
being someone who is able to program in both id confidently say pascal
can do *everything* and i mean everything >>functionally<< that c can
do. c and c++ is for die hards and pascal just makes c more readable and
safer to program in. to its english like structure it makes a
great tool for learning and at the same time giving enormous power plus
safety controls. Pascal is like a very very powerful car with a great
steering and safety system, side mirrors automatic overspeeding
indicators :p where c and c++ is like an equal powerful car without side
mirrors and you can very easily go off the road if you do not know the
language well. Pascal is also one of the languages which have survived
dos, dpmi, win16, win32, linux (can even be interpreted), embedded EPRM
programming and other unix etc just like c has so its not based on
architecture. what i mean by this is pascal wasnt created to make
applications for dos or windows; it was meant to be a computer
instruction language so can be used irregardless of the platform, and
that's another quality i consider in a real language and i bet it can be
adopted into .net if someone sat down to do it (delphi .net?)

on to delphi, delphi did to pascal what visual basic did to basic, so
naturally pascal being a compiled language kept its "features" (there
are pascal interpretors). borland also used c to come up with c builder
which is probably the best development ide ever. what i think is killing
delphi now is borland, not the language - if microsoft had come up with
delphi it would have a future. So you get people saying .net is the way
to go without having any idea on how to develop software because
microsoft put it out there and marketed it well. Dont get me wrong, c#
is a great language; but do we need another language that has to go
through years of trying and testing? then again c# but was created for a
platform so in my books it isnt really a *true* computer language.

So where is delphi going? the shelf in a couple of years if you ask
me; but somehow something tells me .net will do its rounds just like
java did. Great hype, then "die" down and settle where it is meant to
be. I know im with delphi for the next 5 years? I know another great
solution will come up that will "derive" from pascal and keep us going.
So delphi might die but pascal is here to stay.

Comments?

horiatu (AT) pathcom (DOT) com wrote:

I've been using Delphi for 7 years, from Delphi 1 (and I've been using
Borland Pascal before,) and I use to think that Delphi was the best.
However, about three years ago, I was sensing that the market goes in
another direction, and not for once Borland was playing games with its
developer base (remember Inprise episod? Borland C++ which iritated
Microsoft? JBuilder which was eclipsed by Eclipse? C#Builder?
Delphi.Net? what about Sidekick?!? Kylix? - I still think that Borland
was good only at Delphi for Windows, while its market strategy sucks!)
So, three years ago I've reoriented myself to .Net.
.Net 1.1 was a mess, but worked. These days I'm on .Net 2.0 and is
preaty good, maybe as good as Delphi 5!
I've done some research in Avalon, and - believe me, what is comming
will change everything for everybody! (Avalon will unify the
development for S with development for Web.)
In the end a developer has to do what a developer has to do: go with
the market, and I agree, Delphi is no more on the market, and what's
left of it, will go out soon. 8^( What do you figure yourself working
with five years from now?

Horia

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>I've used Delphi since the year it was released and have used nothing
>else for serious production work since that time (though I've studied
>any number of alternatives). I totally agree it is the best Win32
>development tool around.
>
I know I will be repeating myself here, but have you given Lazarus a
try? I
know "Source" sounds "not seriouss stuff", but I am sure that that is
changing fast and that Lazarus has some great potential - and has it
right
now.

By the way, it seems both scary and entertaining to watch how people
ignore
some good and cheap (free?) solutions just because they're cheap/free
("nah,
a cheap/free thing can't be good") - vide Lazarus, FPC, Linux,
Apache, the
list is as long as it gets.

Cheers
Mike
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