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    Does anyone know where DES or DES-derivative cipher is still used in
    today's applications/systems. I know that we still use DES (25DES) in
    UNIX-variant password hashing. Any pointers appreciated as I am
    currently doing research on DES.
    Thank you.
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    "soslack@gmail.com" <soslack@gmail.comwrites:

    >Does anyone know where DES or DES-derivative cipher is still used in
    >today's applications/systems. I know that we still use DES (25DES) in
    >UNIX-variant password hashing. Any pointers appreciated as I am
    >currently doing research on DES.


    No idea what this means. DES was replaced as teh standard by AES. DES is
    still used all over the place (Eg, I think ATMs). Unix-variant password
    hashing has changed over to an MD5 derived hash (No it is not MD5 anymore
    than crypt(3) is DES)
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    Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.cawrites:
    No idea what this means. DES was replaced as teh standard by
    AES. DES is still used all over the place (Eg, I think
    ATMs). Unix-variant password hashing has changed over to an MD5
    derived hash (No it is not MD5 anymore than crypt(3) is DES)

    an issue was that brute-force attack on DES key was shown to be doable
    on the order of a day with some custom hardware.

    there is use of 3des which involves three steps involving two
    keys (which gives you 112bit instead of 56bit as resistance to brute
    force attacks, each additional bit effectively doubles the attack
    effort).

    one of the uses of single DES key has been DUKPT for transactions
    which have a lifetime of possible a couple seconds (i.e. derived
    unique key per transaction). an attack on a DUKPT key with a lifetime
    of a couple seconds needs to be done within the window of the
    transaction lifetime (aka it isn't so much for confidentiality but
    integrity).

    some of it is still cost/benefit ratio for the attacker does the
    possible benefit from the attack justify the effort put into the
    attack (stituations possibly yielding couple million benefit is easier
    to justify an attack compared to attack that might only yield a couple
    hundred).

    misc. past posts mentioning dukpt
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm3.htm#cstech8 cardtech/securetech & CA PKI
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#9 Determining Key Exchange Frequency?
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#42 What is the best strongest encryption
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#46 What 'NSA'?
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#56 Bushwah and shrubbery
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#9 racf
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#23 More on garbage
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#8 derive key from password
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#53 ATM machine security
    http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#36 expanding a password into many keys
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    <soslack@gmail.comwrote in message
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    Does anyone know where DES or DES-derivative cipher is still used in
    today's applications/systems. I know that we still use DES (25DES) in
    UNIX-variant password hashing. Any pointers appreciated as I am
    currently doing research on DES.

    Thank you.

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