Not sure if I just subscribed to the right list; someone let me know if KDE
Toys development is another list.
I'm currently working on some more AMR themes copied from the web and the
Windows program Neko98 (based on oneko). I also would like to see much of
the code (or at least similar functionality) from Neko98 ported to KDE and
merged with the AMR codebase. I also think it would be wise to include most
of the themes from Neko98 (and maybe the ones I found on the web) in the AMR
release.
More details and some screenshots here if you're interested:
Thanks,
Sean 'Brien
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A Dilluns 22 Maig 2006 20:22, Sean 'Brien va escriure:
Not sure if I just subscribed to the right list; someone let me know if KDE
Toys development is another list.

I think you better use kde-devel mailing list.

Albert

I'm currently working on some more AMR themes copied from the web and the
Windows program Neko98 (based on oneko). I also would like to see much of
the code (or at least similar functionality) from Neko98 ported to KDE and
merged with the AMR codebase. I also think it would be wise to include
most of the themes from Neko98 (and maybe the ones I found on the web) in
the AMR release.

More details and some screenshots here if you're interested:

Thanks,
Sean 'Brien

kde-games-devel mailing list
kde-games-devel (AT) kde (DOT) org

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kde-games-devel (AT) kde (DOT) org

Monday 22 May 2006 20:36, Kleag wrote:
Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 20:22, Sean 'Brien a *:
I'm currently working on some more AMR themes copied from the web and
the Windows program Neko98 (based on oneko). I also would like to see
much of the code (or at least similar functionality) from Neko98 ported
to KDE and merged with the AMR codebase. I also think it would be wise
to include

It seems (but I'm not a lawyer) that Neko98 is a freeware and not an open
source program. So, for direct porting, there would probably be licensing
issues. The same for graphics.

I agree. See below.

, what's your opinion ?

A short look into
reveals a
file "license.txt" that says:
This program is totally unsupported FREEWARE []

So this program is freeware - but that file does not say anything else about
the license. This means you are allowed to copy it for free, nothing more. In
particular you are not allowed to modify the code and/or distribute any
modifications. Also you are not allowed to charge any money for a copy.

So unless there are some other statements somewhere, this program is
definitely incompatible with the GPL or pretty much any other open source
license - it simply is not free software.

And you are certainly not allowed (unless stated otherwise by the author
somewhere) to use any parts of that program in your own work.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer either.

Kleag

CU
Andi

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I asked the author to release it under the GPL in an e-mail (still waiting for
a reply), but I think we could use the code anyway. See the license below.

The author seems a bit confused about the GPL (which he calls the "GNU public
license"), and his major concern seems to be "free as in beer". the
source code he says, "You are free to use the source files in any way you
wish, as long as credit is given.", provided the software remains monetarily
free.

As far as porting it is concerned, I know very little about C. However, the
code seems clean and the Windows-specific sections are nicely separated (and
should be relatively easy to alter or remove).

I'll join kde-devel and drop an e-mail there, unless someone else knows a more
specific place this should be discussed.

Full text of license.txt:

Neko 95/98 Source Code License

Note: Because Neko was originally written by
Masayuki Koba, and ported from his X-Windows
source code by David Harvey, different portions
of the Neko source code carry different licenses.

IF YU WANT T CHARGE FR YUR SFTWARE

If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY NT charge for it as it is covered by the GNU
public license:
Neko.h Neko.cpp
Neko98.h Neko98.cpp

If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY charge for it, but must send 20% of the profit or
from that software, or $1000 to the author (address at the bottom).
Pet.h Pe1t.cpp
DesktopHack.h DesktopHack.cpp
DesktopPet.h DesktopPet.cpp
ATopPet.h ATopPet.cpp

All other files can be used freely as long as credit is given.

IF YU D NT WANT T CHARGE FR YUR SFTWARE

You are free to use the source files in any way you wish,
as long as credit is given.

AUTHR'S ADDRESS

dharvey (AT) btinternet (DOT) com
For security reasons, mail me and I'll give out my address.

Monday 22 May 2006 14:51, Andreas Beckermann wrote:
Monday 22 May 2006 20:36, Kleag wrote:
Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 20:22, Sean 'Brien a *:
I'm currently working on some more AMR themes copied from the web and
the Windows program Neko98 (based on oneko). I also would like to see
much of the code (or at least similar functionality) from Neko98 ported
to KDE and merged with the AMR codebase. I also think it would be
wise to include

It seems (but I'm not a lawyer) that Neko98 is a freeware and not an open
source program. So, for direct porting, there would probably be licensing
issues. The same for graphics.

I agree. See below.

, what's your opinion ?

A short look into
reveals a
file "license.txt" that says:
This program is totally unsupported FREEWARE []

So this program is freeware - but that file does not say anything else
about the license. This means you are allowed to copy it for free, nothing
more. In particular you are not allowed to modify the code and/or
distribute any modifications. Also you are not allowed to charge any money
for a copy.

So unless there are some other statements somewhere, this program is
definitely incompatible with the GPL or pretty much any other open source
license - it simply is not free software.

And you are certainly not allowed (unless stated otherwise by the author
somewhere) to use any parts of that program in your own work.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer either.

Kleag

CU
Andi

kde-games-devel mailing list
kde-games-devel (AT) kde (DOT) org

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kde-games-devel (AT) kde (DOT) org

Kleag -
I think the license.txt you refer to is in the binary release of the program.
The source code is made available here, and the license.txt I refer to is
from that file:

I also attached the source to my kde-apps.org post, which has screenshots and
a longer description of what I'd like to do:

The program is open source, and the portions that are from oneko are free
software, licensed under the GPL (although the author of Neko98 didn't make
the GPL available). The license section, "You are free to use the source
files in any way you wish, as long as credit is given." might also qualify
the entire program as free software, although a full-GPL release would
clarify things. Hopefully the author gets back to me soon; if not, I don't
see any legal reasons not to proceeddoes anyone else? I'm also not a
lawyer, but I don't see any barriers to using the code.

Monday 22 May 2006 15:49, Sean 'Brien wrote:
I asked the author to release it under the GPL in an e-mail (still waiting
for a reply), but I think we could use the code anyway. See the license
below.

The author seems a bit confused about the GPL (which he calls the "GNU
public license"), and his major concern seems to be "free as in beer".
the source code he says, "You are free to use the source files in any way
you wish, as long as credit is given.", provided the software remains
monetarily free.

As far as porting it is concerned, I know very little about C. However,
the code seems clean and the Windows-specific sections are nicely separated
(and should be relatively easy to alter or remove).

I'll join kde-devel and drop an e-mail there, unless someone else knows a
more specific place this should be discussed.
--
Full text of license.txt:

Neko 95/98 Source Code License

Note: Because Neko was originally written by
Masayuki Koba, and ported from his X-Windows
source code by David Harvey, different portions
of the Neko source code carry different licenses.
--
IF YU WANT T CHARGE FR YUR SFTWARE

If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY NT charge for it as it is covered by the GNU
public license:
Neko.h Neko.cpp
Neko98.h Neko98.cpp
--
If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY charge for it, but must send 20% of the profit or
from that software, or $1000 to the author (address at the bottom).
Pet.h Pe1t.cpp
DesktopHack.h DesktopHack.cpp
DesktopPet.h DesktopPet.cpp
ATopPet.h ATopPet.cpp
--
All other files can be used freely as long as credit is given.
--
IF YU D NT WANT T CHARGE FR YUR SFTWARE

You are free to use the source files in any way you wish,
as long as credit is given.
--
AUTHR'S ADDRESS

dharvey (AT) btinternet (DOT) com
For security reasons, mail me and I'll give out my address.

Monday 22 May 2006 14:51, Andreas Beckermann wrote:
Monday 22 May 2006 20:36, Kleag wrote:
Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 20:22, Sean 'Brien a *:
I'm currently working on some more AMR themes copied from the web
and the Windows program Neko98 (based on oneko). I also would like
to see much of the code (or at least similar functionality) from
Neko98 ported to KDE and merged with the AMR codebase. I also think
it would be wise to include

It seems (but I'm not a lawyer) that Neko98 is a freeware and not an
open source program. So, for direct porting, there would probably be
licensing issues. The same for graphics.

I agree. See below.

, what's your opinion ?

A short look into
reveals a
file "license.txt" that says:
This program is totally unsupported FREEWARE []

So this program is freeware - but that file does not say anything else
about the license. This means you are allowed to copy it for free,
nothing more. In particular you are not allowed to modify the code and/or
distribute any modifications. Also you are not allowed to charge any
money for a copy.

So unless there are some other statements somewhere, this program is
definitely incompatible with the GPL or pretty much any other open source
license - it simply is not free software.

And you are certainly not allowed (unless stated otherwise by the author
somewhere) to use any parts of that program in your own work.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer either.

Kleag

CU
Andi

kde-games-devel mailing list
kde-games-devel (AT) kde (DOT) org

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Monday 22 May 2006 21:49, Sean 'Brien wrote:
I asked the author to release it under the GPL in an e-mail (still waiting
for a reply), but I think we could use the code anyway. See the license
below.

No.
There are only 2 ways we could use it:
1. The author explicitly gives us the right to relicense (and assuming that
the author actually has the right to do so! If he just copied the
code/graphics from somewhere else, he does not!)
2. The license that the code/graphics is under, are compatible with the GPL.

Whenever you use the word "assume", you clearly can NT do what you think you
can. When it comes to legal things, you can NEVER assume ANYTHING. It's
either granted explicitly, or not allowed.

The author seems a bit confused about the GPL (which he calls the "GNU
public license"), and his major concern seems to be "free as in beer".
the source code he says, "You are free to use the source files in any way
you wish, as long as credit is given.", provided the software remains
monetarily free.

Which implies that this is NT free software (nor open source) at all and in
particular not GPL compatible. The GPL requires that you are allowed to
charge money.

[]
Note: Because Neko was originally written by
Masayuki Koba, and ported from his X-Windows
source code by David Harvey, different portions
of the Neko source code carry different licenses.

At this point you first have to find out which licenses exactly these are.
They ALL must be GPL compatible.
And note: this also means that you need permission from BTH authors for
relicensing (even if one says he's fine: he has no right to say that, if the
other author is not fine with it. Unless it's about code that the other
person did not influence)

IF YU WANT T CHARGE FR YUR SFTWARE

If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY NT charge for it as it is covered by the GNU
public license:

This is wrong. The GPL allows to charge for the software (legally: not for the
software, but for the copying)

If you use any of the following files in your software,
you MAY charge for it, but must send 20% of the profit or
from that software, or $1000 to the author (address at the bottom).

This means: you cannot use it under GPL.

All other files can be used freely as long as credit is given.

Define "freely". This can mean:
1. without restrictions (this would be good)
2. without fee

As long as you don't know which of them is the case: you can't assume that the
first was intended.

CU
Andi

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