Found this and thought someone might be interested in the
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Have fun!
Sounds like a divorce to me.
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Bill Bradford wrote:
Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 01:14:01AM +0200, Joost van de Griek wrote:
someone just tired of having Too Much Crap.
>Does not compute.

It doesn't? I got rid of the majority of the stuff I owned (most of
which I didn't use) when I moved from Austin to Houston a year and
a half ago. It was incredibly liberating.

My first move -- fresh out of college -- I *filled* (no, not
"shared"!) a 34 ft moving van. 19,000 pounds of *my* stuff.
The memory of having that much sh*t ^H^H^H stuff ever again
helps me keep things "reasonable" :-/

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30 Jun 2006, at 01:50, Bill Bradford wrote:
[]
It doesn't? I got rid of the majority of the stuff I owned (most of
which I didn't use) when I moved from Austin to Houston a year and
a half ago. It was incredibly liberating.

I've just moved to somewhere about a third of the size, and not only
was the move a pain, but I can't actually see much carpet. That lot
is *going*

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Thus spake stephen price:
I recently finished emptying a 16x25 storage locker,
now the last 10x20 is slated for clean-out, then the
1/2 of the house full of "stuff" <grin>.

I won't know what to do with all the room!

word - Fry's.

;-)
Mike

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Thus spake Don Y:
Mike Hebel wrote:
>Thus spake stephen price:
I'm trying to ::downsize:: - not ""replace"" <grin>
>>
>Dude. I have over 2000 books in my house, and over a dozen different
>systems, and quite a few anime DVDs, and misc knick-knacks. I totally
>understand the "downsizing" thing.
>
Add to that a couple of pinball machines, slot machines, an
E-size and a D-size pen plotter, and a pair of Jensen "Imperials"
then *subtract* the basement or attic that you probably have
available and you've got a feel for *my* cave! :>

No basement or attic available to me but I'll see your pinball machine and
counter with a treadmill and a 8'x8' shed filled with stuff. I had an
E-Sized pen plotter but I gave it to a friend who would use it more than
me.

The Jensens reminded me that I have another bookshelf filled with just
videotapes. As well as the old MicroVAX II in the 9624 rack.

Which pinball machines do you have?

Mike

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Thus spake stephen price:
>Thus spake Mike Hebel
>word - Fry's.
>
Argh! No! Mike - between Fry's, the twice a month
swap meet, and folks on list I keep buying "stuff"
from - N (runs out of room screaming) <grin>.

BWAHAHAHAHA! My work here is done! ;-)

I'm trying to ::downsize:: - not ""replace"" <grin>

Dude. I have over 2000 books in my house, and over a dozen different
systems, and quite a few anime DVDs, and misc knick-knacks. I totally
understand the "downsizing" thing. My one friend has threatened to call
the people from "Clean Sweep" on TLC.

I have of course threatened his nuts

Mike Hebel

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Mike Hebel wrote:
Thus spake stephen price:
>I'm trying to ::downsize:: - not ""replace"" <grin>

Dude. I have over 2000 books in my house, and over a dozen different
systems, and quite a few anime DVDs, and misc knick-knacks. I totally
understand the "downsizing" thing.

Add to that a couple of pinball machines, slot machines, an
E-size and a D-size pen plotter, and a pair of Jensen "Imperials"
then *subtract* the basement or attic that you probably have
available and you've got a feel for *my* cave! :>

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Thus spake Steve Hatle:
6/30/06 12:05 PM, "Mike Hebel" <nimitz (AT) nimitzbrood (DOT) comwrote:
>
>My one friend has threatened to call
>the people from "Clean Sweep" on TLC.
>>
>I have of course threatened his nuts
>
My worst "Clean Sweep" moment was when on one show they had video of the
worker bees putting an Apple Network Server 700 in the "sell" pile.

What was worse was at the end of the garage sale when they were counting
up
the money it was still there, which means it went to "charity" or the
dump.

Gaaagh! I remember that episode! :-(

My wife was puzzled but amused at my reaction

How long have you been married again? Did she know you were a geek
before? ;-)

My worst thing from that show is the one guy that is dead set on getting
rid of books. It's the only way I can explain it. He can't comprehend of
someone that can read a regular paperback in a few hours thus he's saying
"How many books can you read really?" GrrrI can read quite a few in
the time it takes you to die walled up in a room with nothing but copies
of " for Dummies".

Mike

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Mike Hebel wrote:
No basement or attic available to me

I can commiserate. If I could use the garage for storage, it
wouldn't be too bad (garage gets WAY too hot when it's 108
outside, even the insulated door has a hard time keeping the
garage interior down below 120 -- same problem applies to any
sort of outside shed)

but I'll see your pinball machine and
counter with a treadmill and a 8'x8' shed filled with stuff. I had an
E-Sized pen plotter but I gave it to a friend who would use it more than
me.

Plotters are delightfully therapeutic. The high tech version
of a fishtank? :>

The Jensens reminded me that I have another bookshelf filled with just
videotapes. As well as the old MicroVAX II in the 9624 rack.

I'd love to get rid of the Jensens but they are *so* unique.
Maybe discard the cabinets and just save the drivers ("triaxial"
G610B's)

Which pinball machines do you have?

Rogo and Flipper. The former has sentimental value from college
days. The latter is Gottlieb's first add-a-ball 1958?
I've already given away a Tempest, another Rogo (as I said,
"sentimental" so two is better than one? :>) and another
pin table (name escapes me). The slot machines go next

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Mike Hebel wrote:
My worst thing from that show is the one guy that is dead set on getting
rid of books. It's the only way I can explain it. He can't comprehend of
someone that can read a regular paperback in a few hours thus he's saying
"How many books can you read really?" GrrrI can read quite a few in
the time it takes you to die walled up in a room with nothing but copies
of " for Dummies".

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree. Books just take up WAY too
much space (and *weight*!). My "technical library" has over
1000 titles in it. And that doesn't count databooks, etc.
Add to that coffee table books (which are usually interesting
in some way -- like how to build kites), paperback novels,
databooks, etc. and *something* has got to go!

Since I consume a lot of paperbacks (I read about 20,000 pages
per year), they seem like the most likely candidate. I've set
a goal of discarding 200 per month for the next 6 months.
(I now have a pretty good idea what a heroin junkie must
feel like going "cold turkey" :< )

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Thus spake Don Y:
Mike Hebel wrote:
>My worst thing from that show is the one guy that is dead set on getting
>rid of books. It's the only way I can explain it. He can't comprehend
>of
>someone that can read a regular paperback in a few hours thus he's
>saying
>"How many books can you read really?" GrrrI can read quite a few in
>the time it takes you to die walled up in a room with nothing but copies
>of " for Dummies".
>
Unfortunately, I'd have to agree. Books just take up WAY too
much space (and *weight*!). My "technical library" has over
1000 titles in it. And that doesn't count databooks, etc.
Add to that coffee table books (which are usually interesting
in some way -- like how to build kites), paperback novels,
databooks, etc. and *something* has got to go!

This is the exact reason why my ideal home would probably be an old
abandoned factory that I could slowly renovate.

Since I consume a lot of paperbacks (I read about 20,000 pages
per year), they seem like the most likely candidate. I've set
a goal of discarding 200 per month for the next 6 months.
(I now have a pretty good idea what a heroin junkie must
feel like going "cold turkey" :< )

I prefer to remain "addicted" thank you. ;-)

Reading is a lost art and the more I do it the more I know. And a lot of
things I've learned over time that have helped me technically and in life
have not been in electronic form

Besides, if I accumulate enough maybe they'll start a "Library of
Political Incorrectness" with all my books when I die. :-)

Mike

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Mike Hebel wrote:
Thus spake Don Y:
>Unfortunately, I'd have to agree. Books just take up WAY too
>much space (and *weight*!). My "technical library" has over
>1000 titles in it. And that doesn't count databooks, etc.
>Add to that coffee table books (which are usually interesting
>in some way -- like how to build kites), paperback novels,
>databooks, etc. and *something* has got to go!

This is the exact reason why my ideal home would probably be an old
abandoned factory that I could slowly renovate.

I always thought an old, single level elementary school, etc.
You could set up different classrooms for different uses! :>

>Since I consume a lot of paperbacks (I read about 20,000 pages
>per year), they seem like the most likely candidate. I've set
>a goal of discarding 200 per month for the next 6 months.
>(I now have a pretty good idea what a heroin junkie must
>feel like going "cold turkey" :< )

I prefer to remain "addicted" thank you. ;-)

I don't intend to stop *reading* -- just realize that I
can't afford to *keep* everything that I read! :-(

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Don Y wrote:
I'd love to get rid of the Jensens but they are *so* unique.
Maybe discard the cabinets and just save the drivers ("triaxial"
G610B's)

Please don't throw them away at least sell them on Ebay. Somebody
will buy them!

Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA

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Thus spake Ethan 'Toole:
http://users.757.org/~
< Crap!

Is that really a Cray 1? I wonder if it's functional at all!

Wow!

Mike Hebel

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Thus spake Steve Hatle:
6/30/06 12:42 PM, "Ethan 'Toole" wrote:
>
>>
>Anywho, eat your heart out on these! They are the guy's with the Cray
>collection, not mine.
>>
>http://users.757.org/~
>http://users.757.org/~
>http://users.757.org/~
>>
>>
>
Hmm-

I'd like to see the rider on his homeowners policy :-)

Exactly. What the hell would it cost you to insure all those? I can only
imagine

Mike Hebel

"It sticks to your mouth like library paste, has a stronger kick than
toxic waste, there's nothing that you'll ever taste like 307 Ale!" - Tom
Smith - 307 Ale

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Is that really a Cray 1? I wonder if it's functional at all!
Wow!
Mike Hebel

It is really a Cray 1. I'm not sure if he still has it or not, I think he
might have passed it to the Cray museum that was put up?

He has the #1 collection of boxes that I know of. None of them can run
except for the SV1 and any J90 series that he has, due to the extreme
power requirements. The one with the yellow came from a school
(Pittsburgh) and I believe various parts went to various places. So in
many cases he only has parts of a complete system (As the systems were so
frigging big). I'm not 100% what his full list is it seems to change.

Pretty wild. Props to him for taking care of the stuff that otherwise
might have gone to scrap.

- Ethan

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velociraptor wrote:
6/30/06, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

[discard negatives]

>*Sridhar's head explodes*

Agreed. I mean, how about, "get them scanned by a professional film
scanner" and into electronic form at least? Geez. I guess unless you
are a famous artis, your art/photos/etc. "aren't worth anything".

I started scanning old 35mm slides from *pre*-childhood
(pre-me-hood?). A time consuming process but no worse
than sitting down and watching them 'as slides' would have
been.

course, the daunting task would be to annotate each
appropriately :-(

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6/30/06, Don Y <dgy (AT) dakotacom (DOT) netwrote:

I haven't decided if I should PITY or ENVY the post-PC generations;
they're not as married to the idea of a physical bound book so
will not be burdened (as much) trying to hold on to physical
books. TH, they probably will never get the same sort of
"connection" that comes from holding a book and reading it
(without sitting bolt upright in front of a computer monitor,
etc.)

There are some books that I want in physical form and some that are
better off being on the computer in the first place, like 'Reilly
Nutshell guides and similar. For instance, since I've been working on
my shell-scripting fu a lot in the last six months or so, I find my
most used shell reference is one I can get to from the web.

enough, since having a device that is high enough resolution to
read "ebooks" on, I actually think I read faster that way. I think it
has to do with the narrower line length, but haven't done any
empirical checks to verify. It may also have to do with the fact that
most paperbacks are not as high of contrast as ebook screens, since I
know that my eyesight has deteriorated somewhat in the last couple of
years. I wear "cheaters" part of the time, but don't need them enough
to remember to keep them with me all the time.

The one advantage to having ebooks is that I don't worry about taking
enough reading along so as not to get bored when I travel just keep
a folder of stuff on the SD card in the PDA.

As for "proper" librariesyes, me too. And it needs about a
half-dozen different chairs/chaises/couches so there's always
something that fits your mood for how you want to sit/recline while
reading.

=Nadine=

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6/30/06, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
Michael Parson wrote:
I'm trying to ::downsize:: - not ""replace"" <grin>
>Dude. I have over 2000 books in my house, and over a dozen different
>systems, and quite a few anime DVDs, and misc knick-knacks. I totally
>understand the "downsizing" thing. My one friend has threatened to call
>the people from "Clean Sweep" on TLC.
>
Gah! I've watched a few episodes of that. I gave up when I watched
them force a couple to get rid of their negatives since they already had
prints made from them. My (ex)wife thought I was gonna blow a fuse.

Aaaaaaaaaaah!!!

*Sridhar's head explodes*

Agreed. I mean, how about, "get them scanned by a professional film
scanner" and into electronic form at least? Geez. I guess unless you
are a famous artis, your art/photos/etc. "aren't worth anything".

=Nadine=

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6/30/06, Don Y <dgy (AT) dakotacom (DOT) netwrote:
Since I consume a lot of paperbacks (I read about 20,000 pages
per year), they seem like the most likely candidate. I've set
a goal of discarding 200 per month for the next 6 months.
(I now have a pretty good idea what a heroin junkie must
feel like going "cold turkey" :< )

Either:

a) make friends with your local used bookstore staff, and swap 'em to
feed your habit
b) sell them on Amazon in the marketplace least that way you'll
feel better about getting rid of them (and you would be surprised at
the prices you can get for the rarities at least can better
rationalize keeping those :-)

The only downside to selling on Amazon is that you have to link to a
bank account. I didn't want to link to my main account. I got
around it by setting up a free account with an ATM card at the Bank of
the Internet. Post 9/11, though, you have to show ID to get a bank
account, so it's more of a hassle. When I was selling there, you
couldn't link to PayPal; that may have changed nowadays.

=Nadine=

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velociraptor wrote:
6/30/06, Don Y <dgy (AT) dakotacom (DOT) netwrote:
>Since I consume a lot of paperbacks (I read about 20,000 pages
>per year), they seem like the most likely candidate. I've set
>a goal of discarding 200 per month for the next 6 months.
>(I now have a pretty good idea what a heroin junkie must
>feel like going "cold turkey" :< )

Either:

a) make friends with your local used bookstore staff, and swap 'em to
feed your habit
b) sell them on Amazon in the marketplace least that way you'll
feel better about getting rid of them (and you would be surprised at
the prices you can get for the rarities at least can better
rationalize keeping those :-)

I donate them to the local library's "used book sale".
I figure the types of people who get up early in the
morning and wait outdoors (in February) in very long lines
are PRBABALY more likely to appreciate them than the
folks who *rarely* visit the library or a bookstore.

And, it does some little bit towards keeping the library
functioning as an institution.

, I find someone with similar tastes and offload a box at a
time. I just gave two Xerox boxes of books to a friend for
his son

The only downside to selling on Amazon is that you have to link to a
bank account. I didn't want to link to my main account. I got
around it by setting up a free account with an ATM card at the Bank of
the Internet. Post 9/11, though, you have to show ID to get a bank
account, so it's more of a hassle. When I was selling there, you
couldn't link to PayPal; that may have changed nowadays.

Yeah, I'm not fond of any of these places. "Use our secure server"
Um, K. So are all of these breaches I hear about in the news on
INSECURE servers? (obviously but I am sure they all THUGHT
they were secure originally!)

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Michael Parson wrote:
I'm trying to ::downsize:: - not ""replace"" <grin>
>Dude. I have over 2000 books in my house, and over a dozen different
>systems, and quite a few anime DVDs, and misc knick-knacks. I totally
>understand the "downsizing" thing. My one friend has threatened to call
>the people from "Clean Sweep" on TLC.

Gah! I've watched a few episodes of that. I gave up when I watched
them force a couple to get rid of their negatives since they already had
prints made from them. My (ex)wife thought I was gonna blow a fuse.

Aaaaaaaaaaah!!!

*Sridhar's head explodes*

Peace Sridhar

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