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  • No.1 | | 2120 bytes | |

    A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's
    called circular reasoning.

    In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would
    have noticed *huge* discrepancies.

    Try here:

    The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was.

    His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put
    on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no
    longer used by the military.

    His uniform is wildly well, inconsistent is the best word here.

    Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be
    impossible to earn in the time he was active.

    Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people
    exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to
    back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible
    source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs
    their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories
    as truth and use that as evidence. course when someone points out
    that "evidence" is fraud and fake Well, at best the person gets
    ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously,
    given the governments track record at keeping things secret a
    "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best)

    Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of
    that position's overall merits.

    9/11/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    !6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry
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    11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right?

    9/9/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

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    Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people
    exhibit these days.

    You're not the only one.

    Philosophil wrote:
    A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's
    called circular reasoning.

    In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would
    have noticed *huge* discrepancies.

    Try here:

    The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was.

    His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put
    on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no
    longer used by the military.

    His uniform is wildly well, inconsistent is the best word here.

    Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be
    impossible to earn in the time he was active.

    Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people
    exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to
    back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible
    source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs
    their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories
    as truth and use that as evidence. course when someone points out
    that "evidence" is fraud and fake Well, at best the person gets
    ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously,
    given the governments track record at keeping things secret a
    "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best)

    Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of
    that position's overall merits.

    9/11/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry
    >>
    >>

    >11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right?
    >>

    >9/9/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >
    >>

    >--
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    >regards
    >c0ntex
    >>

    >
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    >>
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    >>

    >--
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    >regards
    >c0ntex
    >>


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  • No.3 | | 2168 bytes | |

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's
    called circular reasoning.

    In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would
    have noticed *huge* discrepancies.

    Try here:

    --
    The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was.

    His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put
    on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no
    longer used by the military.

    His uniform is wildly well, inconsistent is the best word here.

    Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be
    impossible to earn in the time he was active.

    Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people
    exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to
    back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible
    source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs
    their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories
    as truth and use that as evidence. course when someone points out
    that "evidence" is fraud and fake Well, at best the person gets
    ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously,
    given the governments track record at keeping things secret a
    "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best)

    Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of
    that position's overall merits.
    >
    >
    >
    >

    9/11/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    !6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry
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    11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right?

    9/9/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

    --

    regards
    c0ntex

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    c0ntex
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  • No.4 | | 434 bytes | |

    September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it?

    Paul Schmehl (pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) edu)
    Adjunct Information Security
    The University of Texas at Dallas

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    Everyone is but this guy Jesse seems to actually be a fraud. Most of
    the sites that originally carried the story have pulled it and some
    have
    issued statements denouncing the use of fraud and misinformation as a
    means to build opposition to the war.

    Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.

    c0ntex wrote:
    You are entitled to your opinion.

    11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's
    >called circular reasoning.
    >>

    >In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would
    >have noticed *huge* discrepancies.
    >>

    >Try here:
    >>

    >
    >>
    >>

    >The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was.
    >>

    >His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put
    >on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no
    >longer used by the military.
    >>

    >His uniform is wildly well, inconsistent is the best word here.
    >>

    >Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be
    >impossible to earn in the time he was active.
    >>

    >Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people
    >exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to
    >back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible
    >source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs
    >their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories
    >as truth and use that as evidence. course when someone points out
    >that "evidence" is fraud and fake Well, at best the person gets
    >ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously,
    >given the governments track record at keeping things secret a
    >"vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best)
    >>

    >Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of
    >that position's overall merits.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >9/11/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry
    >>
    >>

    >11/09/06, Philosophil <flosofl (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right?
    >>

    >9/9/06, c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >
    >>

    >--
    >>

    >regards
    >c0ntex
    >>

    >
    >Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
    >Charter:
    >Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >--
    >>

    >regards
    >c0ntex
    >>
    >>


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  • No.6 | | 2619 bytes | |

    If you consider that America are able to lie about the weapons of mass
    destruction and then admit it, use chemical weapons in Iraq and lie
    about it and then admit it, trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was
    attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their
    country, mishandle Iraqs millions of dollars which seemed to vanish
    (which is currently under investigation with 3 confirmed arrests), a
    power company who coincidentally has a top US official on the board of
    directors win a multi million dollar contract with no competition to
    do ALL the power restoration work in Iraq.

    So America own the world with their porkies yet the most powerful
    country in the world is incapable of influencing 8 or 10 people about
    a war record which is controlled by the US government, influencing 1
    man in charge of the IVAW (which they never actually deny this man was
    a member), and drop 2 news articles to Americans media to bad name
    this man then you have been eating too many pancakes and twinkies.

    Wikipedia they also discuss the mans "criminal history", what has
    that got to do with anything other than making the man seem
    unreliable.

    If you look at the media on my blog, you will notice many distressing
    issues, you will actually see innocent people being shot and the
    soldiers laughing on several occasions - it is not just this one video
    by this one man.

    The most well known behind the scenes investigation program
    "Dispatches", from the UK does numerous documentaries on these issues,
    as well as the most highly credible news reporters - are they also
    telling porkies? I hardly think so.

    There are numerous other people who talk about the terror that has
    gone on in Iraq, including the use white phosphorous of which is then
    verified by 2 ex soldiers (US) along with live media footage of the
    drops, doctor examinations and leaked documents from the US and
    UK but like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions.

    11/09/06, pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) edu <pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) eduwrote:
    September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it?

    Paul Schmehl (pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) edu)
    Adjunct Information Security
    The University of Texas at Dallas

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  • No.7 | | 4342 bytes | |

    Now take a deep breath and chill out.
    Noone has contradicted any of your claims, not here, not on wikipedia.

    The only thing that has been said is that one single individual of the
    many that reports on those issues has been discovered as a fake.

    I for one is sure that a lot of what this and what other individuals have
    reported is true and has happened.
    But that doesn't mean that everyone who claims to have inside information
    has.

    And given that this individual is such an obvious fake using his statements
    is actually hurting the truth, not helping it.

    trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was attacking their border to allow
    army convoys to be deployed in their country,

    Just had to comment on this one.
    The trick they used was the known fact that Iraq occupied Kuwait.
    Which isn't exaclty regarded as a trick, given that it was acknowleged
    by all parties.

    But I still think that the US 'liberation' if Iraq is one of the most
    stupid, and possibly criminal, acts of foreign policy that has occured
    for many many years.

    And on this day when we remember the 3000 unarmed civilians who died in
    the US I just hope that we don't forget the 30000 unarmed civilians who
    died in Afghanistan shortly after.

    // hdw

    c0ntex wrote:
    If you consider that America are able to lie about the weapons of mass
    destruction and then admit it, use chemical weapons in Iraq and lie
    about it and then admit it, trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was
    attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their
    country, mishandle Iraqs millions of dollars which seemed to vanish
    (which is currently under investigation with 3 confirmed arrests), a
    power company who coincidentally has a top US official on the board of
    directors win a multi million dollar contract with no competition to
    do ALL the power restoration work in Iraq.

    So America own the world with their porkies yet the most powerful
    country in the world is incapable of influencing 8 or 10 people about
    a war record which is controlled by the US government, influencing 1
    man in charge of the IVAW (which they never actually deny this man was
    a member), and drop 2 news articles to Americans media to bad name
    this man then you have been eating too many pancakes and twinkies.

    Wikipedia they also discuss the mans "criminal history", what has
    that got to do with anything other than making the man seem
    unreliable.

    If you look at the media on my blog, you will notice many distressing
    issues, you will actually see innocent people being shot and the
    soldiers laughing on several occasions - it is not just this one video
    by this one man.

    The most well known behind the scenes investigation program
    "Dispatches", from the UK does numerous documentaries on these issues,
    as well as the most highly credible news reporters - are they also
    telling porkies? I hardly think so.

    There are numerous other people who talk about the terror that has
    gone on in Iraq, including the use white phosphorous of which is then
    verified by 2 ex soldiers (US) along with live media footage of the
    drops, doctor examinations and leaked documents from the US and
    UK but like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions.

    11/09/06, pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) edu <pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) eduwrote:

    >September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <c0ntexb (AT) gmail (DOT) com
    >wrote:
    >>

    >You are entitled to your opinion.
    >>

    >Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it?
    >>

    >Paul Schmehl (pauls (AT) utdallas (DOT) edu)
    >Adjunct Information Security
    >The University of Texas at Dallas
    >
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
    >Charter:
    >Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
    >>
    >>
    >>


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