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Hi all
I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.
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- Well I might be wrong here, but when I chose between both (1 year ago), one
of my constraints was to have good printing support. Since GTK+ does not
offer any printing support (usually have to use gnome-print), I doubt PyGTK
does but this might have changed in the past year. I also love the fact
that wxWindows uses a DC (device context) to print or display.
- I also do find wxWidgets prettier (Linux + windows) than GTK's.
- since GTK is a C library, and although they did give it an object oriented
architecture, I find the APIs too "C" oriented
- I do not know whether glade now supports python, when I last looked it did
not. I am _very_ happy with wxDesigner.
- overall I like wxWindows better, yet GTK is a great library.

Regards,

Philippe

Monday 13 June 2005 05:55 pm, Daniel Crespo wrote:
Hi all

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.
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- Well I might be wrong here, but when I chose between both (1 year ago), one
of my constraints was to have good printing support. Since GTK+ does not
offer any printing support (usually have to use gnome-print), I doubt PyGTK
does but this might have changed in the past year. I also love the fact
that wxWindows uses a DC (device context) to print or display.
- I also do find wxWidgets prettier (Linux + windows) than GTK's.
- since GTK is a C library, and although they did give it an object oriented
architecture, I find the APIs too "C" oriented
- I do not know whether glade now supports python, when I last looked it did
not. I am _very_ happy with wxDesigner.
- overall I like wxWindows better, yet GTK is a great library.

Regards,

Philippe

Monday 13 June 2005 05:55 pm, Daniel Crespo wrote:
Hi all

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.
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By the way, the target is to develop systems capable of running Windows and
Linux.

I'd appreciate your colaboration on this.

Daniel

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Hi all

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

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Daniel Crespo wrote:

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

Having not used PyGTK, I can't comment on differences between them in
terms of API, features, robustness, but

wxPython gives you a native interface on Windows, *nix (GTK) and S-X.
PyGTK does not. If you really only need and only ever will need, *nix,
then compare them for features, style etc. If you now, or in the future
might need other platforms, go with wx.
-Chris
No.5 | | 1490 bytes | |
Hi,

For me was the _REAL_ native look & feel for Windows platform.

I tried PyGTK and the Wimp theme and even though the look is close to
native, the feel is far from native.

Some of the controls behave very different than windows standard, for
example Choice (or is it a popup menu?) when you click it it doesn't
align the items starting from the first one in the list, but the
selected oneUhmmm excuse my english I don't know if I made myself
understood but you should really try it for yourself.

Now, if you deploy on GTK-only environments it would be ok to use
PyGTK, but in any other case it wouldn't, especially if the app is
commercial. In my case, I started development of a commercial
application for Windows platform and I wouldn't use anything that it
isn't REAL native cause the users will not be IT experts so
consistency with their expectations is a must.

Really, it is an equation of multiple factors. In my case the factors
weighted in favor of wx.

Sorin

6/13/05, Daniel Crespo <dcrespo (AT) grupozoom (DOT) comwrote:
Hi all

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

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6/13/05, Daniel Crespo <dcrespo (AT) grupozoom (DOT) comwrote:
By the way, the target is to develop systems capable of running Windows and
Linux.

I'd appreciate your colaboration on this.

Gtk on Windows is hated and reviled, for good reason. That should be
about all the reason you need, really. Windows is a first class,
supported platform for wxPython, and native look & feel is supported.
Windows is a second class afterthought platform by Gtk, with minimal
look & feel provided by the theme engine, with no native behavior. The
dependencies are huge, including all the theme files. It's slow and
ugly and nasty.

Daniel

"Daniel Crespo" <dcrespo (AT) grupozoom (DOT) comwrote in message
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Hi all

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

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- I do not know whether glade now supports python, when I last looked it
did
not. I am _very_ happy with wxDesigner.

I do have it, but since it doesn't let me save I don't know how well it
is I think that the best way for constructing the GUI is through the
creation of an .xrc file (probably well generated by wxDesigner). So, I'd
love to try save an example .xrc and using it. So how can I do for test it?

Thanks

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2005-06-13, Philippe C. Martin <philippecmartin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) netwrote:
- Well I might be wrong here, but when I chose between both (1
year ago), one of my constraints was to have good printing
support. Since GTK+ does not offer any printing support
(usually have to use gnome-print),

Isn't gnome-print that what Wx/gtk uses? am I getting it
mixed up with Abiword?

I doubt PyGTK does but this might have changed in the
past year. I also love the fact that wxWindows uses a DC
(device context) to print or display.

- I also do find wxWidgets prettier (Linux + windows) than GTK's.

Again, aren't GTK widgets usually what wxPython uses under
Linux?
- since GTK is a C library, and although they did give it an
object oriented architecture, I find the APIs too "C" oriented

- I do not know whether glade now supports python, when I last
looked it did not. I am _very_ happy with wxDesigner.

- overall I like wxWindows better, yet GTK is a great library.

I've used both, and the last time I chose between them (a
couple years ago), I chose wxPython because it was cross
platform and gtkPython wasn't (I guess it is now -- or it's
getting closer).
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Grant Edwards wrote:
2005-06-13, Philippe C. Martin <philippecmartin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) netwrote:

Well I might be wrong here, but when I chose between both (1
>year ago), one of my constraints was to have good printing
>support. Since GTK+ does not offer any printing support
>(usually have to use gnome-print),

Isn't gnome-print that what Wx/gtk uses? am I getting it
mixed up with Abiword?

yes, wxGTK is now using gnome-print, but it will fallback to the
standard Postscript printing it has always had if gnome-print is not
available on the platfrom.

>>I doubt PyGTK does but this might have changed in the
>>past year. I also love the fact that wxWindows uses a DC
>>(device context) to print or display.
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I also do find wxWidgets prettier (Linux + windows) than GTK's.

Again, aren't GTK widgets usually what wxPython uses under
Linux?

Yes, but the converse is not true. GTK does not use native widgets on
Windows, and even requires a X11 on Mac.
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Jun 13, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Crespo wrote:

I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

How well does PyGTK run on S X?

We looked at several UI toolkits for Dabo, and decided that wxPython
offered the best overall value.

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Ed Leafe
http://leafe.com/
http://dabodev.com/

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No.11 | | 1054 bytes | |
I would suggest using wxwindows C++ versions only for the following reason :
it is not possible to overload paint methods

Ed Leafe a :

Jun 13, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Crespo wrote:
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>I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
>PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.
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How well does PyGTK run on S X?

We looked at several UI toolkits for Dabo, and decided that
wxPython offered the best overall value.

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Ed Leafe
http://leafe.com/
http://dabodev.com/
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Ed Leafe wrote:
Jun 13, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Crespo wrote:

>I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
>PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.

How well does PyGTK run on S X?

It uses X-Windows, so nothing is native.
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Robin Dunn wrote:

Ed Leafe wrote:
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>Jun 13, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Crespo wrote:
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I want to get the conviction of preferring wxPython (or wxWidgets) over
PyGTK. I need to convince my partner for choosing wxPython. Thanks.
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>How well does PyGTK run on S X?
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It uses X-Windows, so nothing is native.

+ X11 isn't installed by default if I remember correctly, and it very
slow just tried to use gimp on my Mac it's seems it's a memory hoge.

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well,

I started out needing a gui for a little perl program. Back then TK
was about the only free choice robust enough for a commercial app.
Coming from Delphi when it comes to guis under win, I hated it, though
it served the purpose.
Now, years after, I am glad wx windows has come all that way so it is
what it is today- my choice for platform independent guis.
I use wx glade for a framework and then save the code I need (Perl,
Python, C)

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