When I first had failure signing in on eBay under Mozilla and SM (still do
under 1.0.2) eBay chat told me people were getting in K under Firefox. I
got it and found it did, indeed, work. Now I use Firefox for that one
thing.
What puzzles me is why SM can't get in while Firefox can.
(Moz and SM do a continuous loop of the sign in page.)
Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

"David T. Johnson" <djohnson (AT) isomedia (DOT) comsaid:

>inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
>When I first had failure signing in on eBay under Mozilla and SM (still do
>under 1.0.2) eBay chat told me people were getting in K under Firefox. I
>got it and found it did, indeed, work. Now I use Firefox for that one
>thing.
>
>What puzzles me is why SM can't get in while Firefox can.
>
>(Moz and SM do a continuous loop of the sign in page.)

>SM and Mozilla sign in to Ebay okay AFAIK. Compare your settings with
>Firefox and the problem browser and make them the same and your problem
>should go away.

As nearly as I can tell with the settings in FF all screwed around
differently, they are the same.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Peter Brown <losepeteSPAM-ME-NT (AT) ntlworld (DOT) comsaid:

>Hi Jim

>inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
>When I first had failure signing in on eBay under Mozilla and SM (still do
>under 1.0.2) eBay chat told me people were getting in K under Firefox. I
>got it and found it did, indeed, work. Now I use Firefox for that one
>thing.
>
>What puzzles me is why SM can't get in while Firefox can.
>
>(Moz and SM do a continuous loop of the sign in page.)


>That looks like something to do with Cookie Permissions. Make sure that
>Tools -Cookie Manager -Allow Cookies from this site is selected.

>Regards

>Pete

I have two settings. "Allow all cookies" and "Accept cookies normally."

Might the following error have something to do with this? I got it from
clicking on a link in an eBay email.

Incorrect Response

This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Security
Manager (PSM). Download and install PSM and try again, or contact your
system administrator.

The site responded to the network request in an unexpected way and the
browser cannot continue.

I have no idea what or where PSM is.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

"David T. Johnson" <djohnson (AT) isomedia (DOT) comsaid:


>inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
>When I first had failure signing in on eBay under Mozilla and SM (still do
>under 1.0.2) eBay chat told me people were getting in K under Firefox. I
>got it and found it did, indeed, work. Now I use Firefox for that one
>thing.
>
>What puzzles me is why SM can't get in while Firefox can.
>
>(Moz and SM do a continuous loop of the sign in page.)

>SM and Mozilla sign in to Ebay okay AFAIK. Compare your settings with
>Firefox and the problem browser and make them the same and your problem
>should go away.

If it were all that easy it wouldn't be a known problem at the eBay chat
center.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Peter Brown <losepeteSPAM-ME-NT (AT) ntlworld (DOT) comsaid:

>I have two settings. "Allow all cookies" and "Accept cookies normally."

>Where are those options located?

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Cookies

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Sir:

inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
<snip>
Incorrect Response

This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Security
Manager (PSM). Download and install PSM and try again, or contact your
system administrator.

The site responded to the network request in an unexpected way and the
browser cannot continue.

I have no idea what or where PSM is.

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Certificates -Select
Automatically. PSM is the module that selects the certificates and what
crypto codes to use. Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-SSL -
SSL3 and TSL selected?

"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

>I have no idea what or where PSM is.

>Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Certificates -Select
>Automatically. PSM is the module that selects the certificates and what
>crypto codes to use.

It is selected and I don't remember it ever being any other way.

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-SSL -SSL3 and TSL selected?

Those AND SSL2. Is that bad? It's default.

I don't remember that problem with Moz 1.7.12. Do you suppose it somehow
isn't picking up everything from MZILLA_HME?

This together with the failure of the Java plugin is giving me the creeps.
Too bad there isn't a trouble shooter to dig stuff like this out.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Sir:

inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

I have no idea what or where PSM is.

>Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Certificates -Select
>Automatically. PSM is the module that selects the certificates and what
>crypto codes to use.

It is selected and I don't remember it ever being any other way.

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-SSL -SSL3 and TSL selected?

Those AND SSL2. Is that bad? It's default.

I don't remember that problem with Moz 1.7.12. Do you suppose it somehow
isn't picking up everything from MZILLA_HME?

This together with the failure of the Java plugin is giving me the creeps.
Too bad there isn't a trouble shooter to dig stuff like this out.

Alas, download the file again and install anew. Something is wrong with
the current install (delete it). You have two widely different errors
that is not being seen be others. The only safe conclusion is something
is wrong with the install. If you have to, use the old Netscape 4.61 to
get the file.

inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

I have no idea what or where PSM is.

>Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Certificates -Select
>Automatically. PSM is the module that selects the certificates and what
>crypto codes to use.

It is selected and I don't remember it ever being any other way.

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-SSL -SSL3 and TSL selected?

Those AND SSL2. Is that bad? It's default.

That's what I have selected in SM 1.5a.

I don't remember that problem with Moz 1.7.12. Do you suppose it somehow
isn't picking up everything from MZILLA_HME?

Don't know but I don't even have a 'home' set in config.sys for SM 1.5a.
With some early version of IWB, I had 'SET MZILLA_HME=E:\S2WEB' but
the installers in later versions of IWB always insisted in remming that
out so I stopped adding it and it all seems to work okay.

This together with the failure of the Java plugin is giving me the creeps.
Too bad there isn't a trouble shooter to dig stuff like this out.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

>Alas, download the file again and install anew. Something is wrong with
>the current install (delete it). You have two widely different errors
>that is not being seen be others. The only safe conclusion is something
>is wrong with the install. If you have to, use the old Netscape 4.61 to
>get the file.

If none of this is being seen by anybody else I ask again, how did eBay
chat know to tell me to get FireFox to cure the signion problem - which it
does?

I got new files form Innotek using AWGET.

I uninstalled SM and Innotek runtime. Rebooted, ran INI file cleaners,
rebooted, ran 'em again.

I reinstalled Innotek runtime, rebooted.

I reinstalled SM, rebooted.

I did the iplugin and Java plugin things, rebooted.

The installer didn't say if it was finished - it just vanished. No sign
at all of any kind of SM folder or object, altho it did set up
associations on it.

I made an object for SM.

NTHING has changed operationally. All the plugins I've installed show
properly in about:plugins. They all work but Java.

Is there any chance one or both extensions I've installed (which are
apparently located in MZILLA_HME) are interfering with things? I have
the dictionary, theme installer and User Agent switcher.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:
"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

>Alas, download the file again and install anew. Something is wrong with
>the current install (delete it). You have two widely different errors
>that is not being seen be others. The only safe conclusion is something
>is wrong with the install. If you have to, use the old Netscape 4.61 to
>get the file.

If none of this is being seen by anybody else I ask again, how did eBay
chat know to tell me to get FireFox to cure the signion problem - which it
does?

I got new files form Innotek using AWGET.

I uninstalled SM and Innotek runtime. Rebooted, ran INI file cleaners,
rebooted, ran 'em again.

I reinstalled Innotek runtime, rebooted.

I reinstalled SM, rebooted.

I did the iplugin and Java plugin things, rebooted.

The installer didn't say if it was finished - it just vanished. No sign
at all of any kind of SM folder or object, altho it did set up
associations on it.

I made an object for SM.

I'm not sure what your problem is but when I installed Sea Monkey, I
used the installer and it created a folder on the desktop called
"SeaMonkey" with four objects inside of it, 'SeaMonkey,' 'SeaMonkey
Profile Manager,' SeaMonkey Mail,' and 'Uninstall SeaMonkey.' think
I can think of is that the Sea Monkey installer needs the correct
libcxx.dll file in x:\os2\dll. Maybe you had a slightly wrong version
that made the installer partially fail? Another thought is that maybe
you didn't uninstall whatever it was that was there before Sea Monkey.
You have to uninstall first, then reboot, then install. (When you
uninstall, your profile, settings, bookmarks, email archive, etc. should
not be deleted but should be used by the new version if you install it
to the same folder.)

NTHING has changed operationally. All the plugins I've installed show
properly in about:plugins. They all work but Java.

Is there any chance one or both extensions I've installed (which are
apparently located in MZILLA_HME) are interfering with things? I have
the dictionary, theme installer and User Agent switcher.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Hi Jim,

I never got a decent system out of the eCS 1.2
CD's. I have two sets from shortly after 1.2 came out and they are NT
alike.

Have you tried the 1.2 MR release?

thing I have done since I first put in Warp 3, I have NEVER
migrated an existing S/2 environment. S/2 v2.01 and 2.1 taught me
that migration was never a good way to upgrade, so since Warp 3 I have
ALWAYS installed to a NEW partition and built things from scratch.
This approach has never failed me. I am not saying that "upgrades" do
not work, but my sanity has been maintained by knowing EXACTLY what
goes into a build from the start, and an S/2 upgrade is always prone
to have issues.

I installed eCS 1.2 early on just to have a look and that went fine,
but it only lasted 2 weeks, then I went back on my old W4 system until
purchased another HD and then grabbed 1.2MR and started fresh. Its
been pretty good since then, and when 2.0 comes out I will probably go
that way, as a JFS boot does sound appealing;-)

Cheerspk.

"Peter" <SMENE (AT) orcon (DOT) net.nzsaid:

>Hi Jim,

>Have you tried the 1.2 MR release?

No. I haven't had the heart toi start a new set of problems on top of the
current ones. Maybe I should. Do you have to buy another CD? I'm on
dial-up and can't download half a gig.

thing I have done since I first put in Warp 3, I have NEVER migrated

I've tried it a couple times with poor success. Upgrading a system seems
to me to be much better than starting from scratch with a replacement
system and trying to glue bits and pieces of your previously working
operations onto it. Requiring you to tart from scratch with a new system
and start from scratch with your entire operations I think is an
exceptional strategy - for masochists.

>into a build from the start, and an S/2 upgrade is always prone to have
>issues.

>my sanity has been maintained by knowing EXACTLY what goes into
>a build from the start,

The thing is, I didn't find any of my repeated "clean" installations 1.2
to be all that exact. course given that they are supposed to be the
same but aren't, there's no way of telling if EITHER of my CD's is "good."

>grabbed 1.2MR and started fresh.

Fresh is obviously the NLY thing with any certainty - and far too d
much work. Starting from scratch (whole new operation on a whole new
system) every time there's some supposed update is absolutely an insane
strategy.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

"David T. Johnson" <djohnson (AT) isomedia (DOT) comsaid:

>Maybe you had a slightly wrong version
>that made the installer partially fail?

I have no doubt you have made an intelligent, useful and correct statement
there and have no wish whatever to challenge it.

I do, however find the fact that could or should be correct - that such an
inanity should exist in a highly touted computer process - utterly absurd.
How difficult would it be to include the exactly correct (the
non-slightly-wrong) DLL in the distribution that demands and requires it?

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of S/2

Hi Jim,

>Have you tried the 1.2 MR release?

No. I haven't had the heart toi start a new set of problems on top of the
current ones. Maybe I should. Do you have to buy another CD? I'm on
dial-up and can't download half a gig.

I am on DSL so I downloaded the image and burnt my own CD, but only
once I had heard such positive reports about it from others.

I look at a clean install the way you look at a migration. My thinking
is that if there was just NE issue on an existing system, then
migrating that carries the issue forward to the new system. A clean
install is a fresh start, and re-installing all my apps just takes a
little while longer, but I have peace of mind. It actually takes
longer to apply my personal preferences to everything, but then that
also ensures things are exactly where I want them.

thing I have done since I first put in Warp 3, I have NEVER migrated

I've tried it a couple times with poor success. Upgrading a system seems
to me to be much better than starting from scratch with a replacement
system and trying to glue bits and pieces of your previously working
operations onto it.

This suggests to me that you don't track your changes too closely. I
have a "Build" directory on a large "spare" partition and every
application I use is placed in its own directory under the "Build"
directory. That way a re-build is just a case of working through the
Sub-directories under "Build"

Requiring you to tart from scratch with a new system
and start from scratch with your entire operations I think is an
exceptional strategy - for masochists.

For my personal machine, considering I have only ever installed Warp 3
2 times, Warp 4 2 times,and eCS once (so far), and each of the
"re-builds" were for major H/W upgrades, there are not too many
builds.

>into a build from the start, and an S/2 upgrade is always prone to have
>issues.

>my sanity has been maintained by knowing EXACTLY what goes into
>a build from the start,

The thing is, I didn't find any of my repeated "clean" installations 1.2
to be all that exact.

Thats one thing I noted about the eCS 1.2 release, there seemed to be
quite a few variations on the result so that was why I waited until
1.2MR came out and had so many good reports. No matter how many times
you do it, a clean install of any product should produce the SAME
result as long as you apply the SAME methodology to the build process.
Yes it may be different between 2 people, but there WILL be something
different each of them is doing (such as H/W used or sequence of app
install).

course given that they are supposed to be the
same but aren't, there's no way of telling if EITHER of my CD's is "good."

For 1.2 (or ANY CD based install) the results may be flaky, but each
CD should provide the EXACT same result regardless of how many times
its performed, as long as the H/W and PRCESS is identical.


>grabbed 1.2MR and started fresh.

Fresh is obviously the NLY thing with any certainty - and far too d
much work.

Its the only way I will do it, and I apply the same thinking to all my
machines here, regardless of S used. From inserting the CD and
rebooting to a fully installed machine (all apps re-installed and
configured how I wanted) took me about 5 hours work, but it was worth
it. Then I spent 3 days just tuning things to my personal
preferences;-)

Starting from scratch (whole new operation on a whole new
system) every time there's some supposed update is absolutely an insane
strategy.

that I agree, but that is why I DNT follow with the latest and
greatest. I only change my machine when I feel things are ready for
it. I will never again follow the "latest and greatest" crowd, I did
that when the S/2 20 beta's came out and it was fun, but I
re-installed about a dozen times over that year. we got to S/2
v2.11, I waited following each release until I heard good reports. I
was always about 6-12 months behind any Fixpak release

Cheerspk.

Sir:

Steve Wendt wrote:
inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:

>How difficult would it be to include the exactly correct (the
>non-slightly-wrong) DLL in the distribution that demands and requires it?

Lawyers can make even the simplest things difficult. :)

Does not the Libc runtime fall under the lessor GPL library license? If
so, then there is no lawyer argument.

Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:52:09 UTC, inkleputDEL (AT) ETEisp (DOT) com wrote:

"William L. Hartzell" <wlhartzell (AT) comcast (DOT) netsaid:

>I have no idea what or where PSM is.

>Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-Certificates -Select
>Automatically. PSM is the module that selects the certificates and what
>crypto codes to use.

It is selected and I don't remember it ever being any other way.

Edit-Preferences-Privacy & Security-SSL -SSL3 and TSL selected?

Those AND SSL2. Is that bad? It's default.

In moz, PSM lives under Certificates->Manage Security Devices->NSS->PSM
Internal FIPS Crypto

If it ain't enabled, do that and give it a password. You will be asked
for this password the 1st time in a session that you are accessing the
PSM. You can control how and when you must enter the PSM password in the
Master Passwords page->Master Password Timeout: personally I have set to
only ask for it once.

This info goes for Moz 1.7.13 that I'm running now.

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