Hi Ashley,

Can't help you on the blob front

Ashley Lloyd wrote:
I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?), so
at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today to
try to get kinterbase installed.
Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
installation problems!

but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.

HTH

Hi Ashley,

Ashley Lloyd wrote:
The LDAP error, as it turns out, was from "zkinterbasdb" or something like
that - something I probably picked up thinking it was kinterbase.

Aha - thought it was unlikely to be from the DA!

Forgive my ignorance, but what was your procedure for installing kinterbase?
I've tried just installing kinterbasDA, which required kinterbasdb. So I've
tried installing kinterbasdb (from an executable, rather than the more
familiar simple compressed file), but I keep getting an ImportError: DLL
load failed when looking at the product in Control_Panel/Products.

The error refers to a line "import _kinterbasdb as _k". I've assumed that
its referring to import _kinterbasdb.pyd, rather than a dll, as thats all
that I can find. I've tried copying it into several places, but I'm assuming
that its compiled by the exe at install time, and is specific to the folder
its placed in. I could be completely wrong!

You want a .pyd, not a .dll - that bit's fine.

I may have started from a different point from you - I have a Plone
install with multiple Zope and Plone sites in it, and Plone does a
couple of things differently. In a Plone install on Windows, the Plone's
Python is set as the system's Python. This means that when you run the
binary installer for kinterbasdb it installs in the right copy of
Python. I wonder if you have Python installed elsewhere, and the binary
installer is finding the wrong one?

The other thing is the mxExtensions - do you have these installed?

Any hints as to your procedure would be appreciated, as this is getting
frustrating (probably meaning I'm missing stupid things).

I didn't do anything beyond what the docs for the three packages (mx
Extensions, Python db i/f, Zope DA) stated - but there is always the joy
of working out what those instructions /really/ mean, as in "now I've
done it, I understand it! I do remember some frustration, but I think it
was just the system Python thing.

If the above doesn't help, the traceback from your error should be our
starting point - stick with it, because since installing it I haven't
even needed to think about this DA except when I've upgraded it, it just
works (for me - YMMV and all that)!

Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:

>Hi Ashley,
>
>Can't help you on the blob front
>
>Ashley Lloyd wrote:

>
>>I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?), so
>>at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today to
>>try to get kinterbase installed.
>>Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
>>installation problems!
>>
>
>>
>
>but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
>been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
>(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
>only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
>distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.
>
>HTH
>
>

Hi Bob,

If you don't mind doing that, I'd really appreciate it.
Nothing I seem to be trying to install at the moment seems to be working.

As with Phil, mine is from a Plone install, but I have got other versions of
Python elsewhere, (I think there's even an old Zope standalone instance
still lurking somewhere, altho I don't think it can run) just to confuse
matters.
Anyway, my Zope is even older - 2.6.1, so hopefully it'll be compatible.

Thanks very much again for your help.

Ashley

Message
From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
To: <phil (AT) xfr (DOT) co.uk>
Cc: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase

Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
.pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:
>
>Hi Ashley,
>
>Can't help you on the blob front
>
>Ashley Lloyd wrote:
>
>
>>I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?), so
>>at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today to
>>try to get kinterbase installed.
>>Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
>>installation problems!
>>
>>
>>
>
>but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
>been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
>(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
>only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
>distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.
>
>HTH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bob, you're a star!

I unpacked it, restarted Zope, and there it was!

Marvellous, I've now got a kinterbase installed that works.

Thats the good news.

The bad news is I still can't update the blob field - I still get errors. I think, unless anyone here has any more ideas, I'll have to go and bother people in another mailing list.

I've tried absolutely everything I can think of - sqlvar tags of type string and nb, trying cast( as blob) in the sql (doesn't seem to work), I've even just tried setting it to 'Hello world', without using any dtml variables at all, and it won't accept it.
>From what I've read elsewhere, there are tools in some software (mostly for Delphi I believe), that will allow updates of text blob fields, so I was hoping that kinterbasdb had something in it as well, but if it does, it isn't working on mine!!

The interbase version is 6.0-6.1, if that jogs any memories for anyone.

Thanks once again to everyone who has tried to help me.

Kind regards

Ashley

Ashley Lloyd wrote:
Hi Bob,

If you don't mind doing that, I'd really appreciate it.
Nothing I seem to be trying to install at the moment seems to be working.

As with Phil, mine is from a Plone install, but I have got other versions of
Python elsewhere, (I think there's even an old Zope standalone instance
still lurking somewhere, altho I don't think it can run) just to confuse
matters.
Anyway, my Zope is even older - 2.6.1, so hopefully it'll be compatible.

Thanks very much again for your help.

Ashley

Message
From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
To: <phil (AT) xfr (DOT) co.uk>
Cc: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase

Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:

Hi Ashley,

Can't help you on the blob front

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?), so
at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today to
try to get kinterbase installed.
Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
installation problems!

but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.

HTH

Hi Ashley,

down, one to go. I've used this adapter with Interbase 6.0 with no
problems, although I've since upgraded to Firebird.

Perhaps you could send the error traceback you get, we could get some
clues from that. Also, the metadata from the table that shows the
problem. It's got to be in there somewhere.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

Bob, you're a star!

I unpacked it, restarted Zope, and there it was!

Marvellous, I've now got a kinterbase installed that works.

Thats the good news.

The bad news is I still can't update the blob field - I still get
errors. I think, unless anyone here has any more ideas, I'll have to
go and bother people in another mailing list.

I've tried absolutely everything I can think of - sqlvar tags of type
string and nb, trying cast( as blob) in the sql (doesn't seem to
work), I've even just tried setting it to 'Hello world', without using
any dtml variables at all, and it won't accept it.
From what I've read elsewhere, there are tools in some software
(mostly for Delphi I believe), that will allow updates of text blob
fields, so I was hoping that kinterbasdb had something in it as well,
but if it does, it isn't working on mine!!

The interbase version is 6.0-6.1, if that jogs any memories for anyone.

Thanks once again to everyone who has tried to help me.

Kind regards

Ashley
--
Ashley Lloyd wrote:
>
>>Hi Bob,
>>
>>If you don't mind doing that, I'd really appreciate it.
>>Nothing I seem to be trying to install at the moment seems to be working.
>>
>>As with Phil, mine is from a Plone install, but I have got other versions of
>>Python elsewhere, (I think there's even an old Zope standalone instance
>>still lurking somewhere, altho I don't think it can run) just to confuse
>>matters.
>>Anyway, my Zope is even older - 2.6.1, so hopefully it'll be compatible.
>>
>>Thanks very much again for your help.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>Message
>>From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
>>To: <phil (AT) xfr (DOT) co.uk>
>>Cc: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase
>>
>>
>
>>
Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:

Hi Ashley,

Can't help you on the blob front

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?), so
at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today to
try to get kinterbase installed.
Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
installation problems!

but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.

HTH

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Hi Bob, thanks again!!

When attempting to update the entity, I get the following error details:

Error Type ProgrammingError

Error Value (-413, 'execute.isc_dsql_execute: conversion error from string
"BLB". ')

Error Trace Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Program
Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT _Try.py", line 149, in
render_try_except
result = render_blocks(self.section, md)
File "C:\Program
Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT _Util.py", line 201, in
eval
return eval(code, d)
File "", line 2, in f
File "C:\Program Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\DA.p y", line
428, in __call__
else: result=DBquery(query, self.max_rows_)
File "C:\Program
Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Products\kinterbasd bDA\db.py", line 198, in
query
self.cursor.execute(src)
File "C:\Program
Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Products\kinterbasd bDA\kinterbasdb\__init
py", line 585, in execute
res = _kinterbasdb.execute(self._C_cursor, sql, params)
ProgrammingError: (-413, 'execute.isc_dsql_execute: conversion error from
string "BLB". ')

I get the same error type and value when testing the SQL method (I've tried
to isolate the problem in its own method, leaving the updates to other
fields in a seperate SQL method) in the ZMI, and the SQL that is generated
is:
UPDATE ENTITY
SET EN_NTES = 'Hello world'
WHERE EN_KEY = 12
Simple!

The metatata of the table has the notes field definition as:
EN_NTES BLB SUB_TYPE 1 SEGMENT SIZE 80,

There is nothing else of any real interest in the table - an update that
does not involve the notes works perfectly!

Thanks once again to you and everyone who has tried to help!

Cheers
Ashley

Message
From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
To: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase

Hi Ashley,

down, one to go. I've used this adapter with Interbase 6.0 with no
problems, although I've since upgraded to Firebird.

Perhaps you could send the error traceback you get, we could get some
clues from that. Also, the metadata from the table that shows the
problem. It's got to be in there somewhere.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.
--
Ashley Lloyd wrote:

Bob, you're a star!

I unpacked it, restarted Zope, and there it was!

Marvellous, I've now got a kinterbase installed that works.

Thats the good news.

The bad news is I still can't update the blob field - I still get
errors. I think, unless anyone here has any more ideas, I'll have to
go and bother people in another mailing list.

I've tried absolutely everything I can think of - sqlvar tags of type
string and nb, trying cast( as blob) in the sql (doesn't seem to
work), I've even just tried setting it to 'Hello world', without using
any dtml variables at all, and it won't accept it.
From what I've read elsewhere, there are tools in some software
(mostly for Delphi I believe), that will allow updates of text blob
fields, so I was hoping that kinterbasdb had something in it as well,
but if it does, it isn't working on mine!!

The interbase version is 6.0-6.1, if that jogs any memories for anyone.

Thanks once again to everyone who has tried to help me.

Kind regards

Ashley
--
Ashley Lloyd wrote:
>
>>Hi Bob,
>>
>>If you don't mind doing that, I'd really appreciate it.
>>Nothing I seem to be trying to install at the moment seems to be
working.
>>
>>As with Phil, mine is from a Plone install, but I have got other
versions of
>>Python elsewhere, (I think there's even an old Zope standalone instance
>>still lurking somewhere, altho I don't think it can run) just to confuse
>>matters.
>>Anyway, my Zope is even older - 2.6.1, so hopefully it'll be compatible.
>>
>>Thanks very much again for your help.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>Message
>>From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
>>To: <phil (AT) xfr (DOT) co.uk>
>>Cc: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase
>>
>>
>>
>>
Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:

Hi Ashley,

Can't help you on the blob front

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?),
so
at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today
to
try to get kinterbase installed.
Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
installation problems!

but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.

HTH

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Hi Ashley,

This error rings a bell with me. I can't remember where or what I did
for sure, but I think I might have just forced a conversion to a string
(with str()) before I updated the table It might have been with a
unicode string. You could do this before you pass the parameter to the
ZSQL Method. It might be worth a try.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

>Hi Bob, thanks again!!
>
>When attempting to update the entity, I get the following error details:
>
>Error Type ProgrammingError
>
>Error Value (-413, 'execute.isc_dsql_execute: conversion error from string
>"BLB". ')
>
>Error Trace Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "C:\Program
>Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT _Try.py", line 149, in
>render_try_except
>result = render_blocks(self.section, md)
>File "C:\Program
>Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT _Util.py", line 201, in
>eval
>return eval(code, d)
>File "", line 2, in f
>File "C:\Program Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\DA.p y", line
>428, in __call__
>else: result=DBquery(query, self.max_rows_)
>File "C:\Program
>Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Products\kinterbasd bDA\db.py", line 198, in
>query
>self.cursor.execute(src)
>File "C:\Program
>Files\ESPPlone\Zope\lib\python\Products\kinterbasd bDA\kinterbasdb\__init
>py", line 585, in execute
>res = _kinterbasdb.execute(self._C_cursor, sql, params)
>ProgrammingError: (-413, 'execute.isc_dsql_execute: conversion error from
>string "BLB". ')
>
>I get the same error type and value when testing the SQL method (I've tried
>to isolate the problem in its own method, leaving the updates to other
>fields in a seperate SQL method) in the ZMI, and the SQL that is generated
>is:
>UPDATE ENTITY
>SET EN_NTES = 'Hello world'
>WHERE EN_KEY = 12
>Simple!
>
>The metatata of the table has the notes field definition as:
>EN_NTES BLB SUB_TYPE 1 SEGMENT SIZE 80,
>
>There is nothing else of any real interest in the table - an update that
>does not involve the notes works perfectly!
>
>Thanks once again to you and everyone who has tried to help!
>
>Cheers
>Ashley
>
Message
>From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
>To: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase
>
>

>
>>Hi Ashley,
>>
>down, one to go. I've used this adapter with Interbase 6.0 with no
>>problems, although I've since upgraded to Firebird.
>>
>>Perhaps you could send the error traceback you get, we could get some
>>clues from that. Also, the metadata from the table that shows the
>>problem. It's got to be in there somewhere.
>>
>>Bob Corriher
>>CT
>>P-Wave Inc.
>>
>>
>>Ashley Lloyd wrote:
>>
>
>>
Bob, you're a star!

I unpacked it, restarted Zope, and there it was!

Marvellous, I've now got a kinterbase installed that works.

Thats the good news.

The bad news is I still can't update the blob field - I still get
errors. I think, unless anyone here has any more ideas, I'll have to
go and bother people in another mailing list.

I've tried absolutely everything I can think of - sqlvar tags of type
string and nb, trying cast( as blob) in the sql (doesn't seem to
work), I've even just tried setting it to 'Hello world', without using
any dtml variables at all, and it won't accept it.
From what I've read elsewhere, there are tools in some software
(mostly for Delphi I believe), that will allow updates of text blob
fields, so I was hoping that kinterbasdb had something in it as well,
but if it does, it isn't working on mine!!

The interbase version is 6.0-6.1, if that jogs any memories for anyone.

Thanks once again to everyone who has tried to help me.

Kind regards

Ashley

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

Hi Bob,

If you don't mind doing that, I'd really appreciate it.
Nothing I seem to be trying to install at the moment seems to be


>working.

As with Phil, mine is from a Plone install, but I have got other


>versions of

Python elsewhere, (I think there's even an old Zope standalone instance
still lurking somewhere, altho I don't think it can run) just to confuse
matters.
Anyway, my Zope is even older - 2.6.1, so hopefully it'll be compatible.

Thanks very much again for your help.

Ashley

Message
From: "Bob Corriher" <bobc (AT) p-wave (DOT) com>
To: <phil (AT) xfr (DOT) co.uk>
Cc: "Ashley Lloyd" <ashleylloyd (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <zope (AT) zope (DOT) org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] RE: Blobs in Interbase

Hi Phil & Ashley,

I also have kinterbasedbDA working on Windows. It is with an older
version of Zope (2.6.4). The DA version is 1.1.1.1. The kinterbasdb
version is 3.0.1. It uses a dll called _kinterbasedb.dll, instead of a
pyd. I don't remember the exact installation process anymore, but I
think I just grabbed it from another working site. If you like, I could
zip it up and send it to you.

The site uses blobs (all sub_type text) in many places, so maybe
older/other versions don't support this as well.

Bob Corriher
CT
P-Wave Inc.

Philip Kilner wrote:

Hi Ashley,

Can't help you on the blob front

Ashley Lloyd wrote:

I've had trouble installing kinterbase (it complains about LDAP?),


>so

at the moment I use gvib. I've pencilled in quite a bit of time today


>to

try to get kinterbase installed.
Unfortunately I'm on Windows, which I'm guessing contributes to the
installation problems!

but I can confirm that KIinterbaseDA works nicely on Windows - I've
been happily using it for some time, and haven't had any issues at all
(BTW, I don't use LDAP and KInterbaseDA has never mentioned it!). The
only problem I had at install time was getting my head around the
distinction between the Python part and the Zope DA part.

HTH

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