Hi everybody!
This is a bit of a sad post. It's the announcement of the slow burial of
the Hurd Wiki at http://hurd.gnufans.org
For those of you who have contributed during the years this may not
come as much of a surprise. Activity has been low, the wiki engine
never got upgraded and account registration has turned into a slow
and tedious manual process
don't get me wrong. Everything works, the site has an ever so high
availability and already registered users can work just as expected.
But the site admin (I) have gone more and more absent due to work, life,
slowly expanding family and shifted interests. So account activations
have almost stopped (I have 70 new not yet activated registrations in my
inbox since May) and sudden spurs of Wiki spam, which I've much cleaned
up myself through the years, have gone much unfixed. Some brave souls
have taken it upon themselves to help out using the web interface to
revert pages spam, but that takes a lot of time.
well, time to get to the point. Despite its controversy among some in
the Hurd community I feel that a lot of the content in the wiki is still
useful.
It's organized in a fairly decent structure, has both well worded and poor
content. All written in a fairly simple syntax that can be easily
converted to
just about anything popular these days: XML, MarkDown, reST, or any
other "WikiFormat" out there. (I've seen you guys talking about Ikiwiki
and others as a replacement.)
To aid any such venture I'm willing to take the time to create a tarball
of the whole TWiki setup, including webserver configuration and even
provide some limited support during moving/converting to another site/setup.
Until this time (if ever anyone steps up to the plate) the current setup
at gnufans will continue to run for as long as Mr. Deepak Goel is kind
enough to sponsor the domain name fee and as long as there is disk space
on the server.
To reduce the risk of my missing any direct questions or suggestions
about this message, please CC me to my reply-to address above.
, sorry for the x-post.
Cheers
/Jocke - Hurd Wiki admin
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Hello!

Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 12:28:50AM +0200, Joachim Nilsson wrote:
This is a bit of a sad post. It's the announcement of the slow burial of
the Hurd Wiki at http://hurd.gnufans.org

First of all: thanks to you for operating the Hurd wiki over the last
years!

well, time to get to the point. Despite its controversy among some in
the Hurd community I feel that a lot of the content in the wiki is still
useful.

Yes, parts of it at least are very useful. I can't give any numbers,
though.

It's organized in a fairly decent structure, has both well worded and poor
content. All written in a fairly simple syntax that can be easily
converted to
just about anything popular these days: XML, MarkDown, reST, or any
other "WikiFormat" out there. (I've seen you guys talking about Ikiwiki
and others as a replacement.)

To aid any such venture I'm willing to take the time to create a tarball
of the whole TWiki setup, including webserver configuration and even
provide some limited support during moving/converting to another site/setup.

That'll be most appreciated and I'll get back to you as soon as we're
going to do the transition. Thanks!

Until this time (if ever anyone steps up to the plate) the current setup
at gnufans will continue to run for as long as Mr. Deepak Goel is kind
enough to sponsor the domain name fee and as long as there is disk space
on the server.

Good, so there is no urgent need to save the wiki.

Regards,
Thomas

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Hello guys,

From my perspective, I wanted to register for an account over a week
ago and didn't get an activation reply so far besides, some info is
outdated (2G limit?!) and the TWiki is from 2002 if I'm correct.

I would also be willing to offer hosting and maintenance for it (if the
Gnufans domain is taken care of).

Greetings,
Ernst Rohlicek jun.
<ernst.rohlicek (AT) inode (DOT) at>

Joachim Nilsson wrote:
8/10/06, Duck Marc Dnes <duck (AT) duckcorp (DOT) orgwrote:
>Marc Dnes (Duck) <duck (AT) duckcorp (DOT) orgwrites:
>Thomas, anything decided yet ? Do you need an hosting place ? If so,
>DuckCorp could help in this area.
>Arf, this domain name is nice. I could sponsor the fee if needed.
>PING
>Anything new ? Anything decided ?

I haven't seen anyone else than you stepping up offering to help.

Regards
/Jocke

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Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:02:53PM +0200, Ernst Rohlicek jun. wrote:
From my perspective, I wanted to register for an account over a week
ago and didn't get an activation reply so far besides, some info
is outdated (2G limit?!) and the TWiki is from 2002 if I'm correct.

Thomas Schwinge has been working on finding a replacement for the wiki,
but he is on vacation currently and will be back in September.

I would also be willing to offer hosting and maintenance for it (if
the Gnufans domain is taken care of).

Duck has also offered hosting, that should not be a problem.

What might help is getting a dump/backup of the current gnufans wiki so
we can restore/integrate it with whatever wiki we are going to use.

Plus, does anybody know of plans for Savannah to supply wikis to its
projects?

Michael

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8/11/06, Michael Banck <mbanck (AT) debian (DOT) orgwrote:
Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:02:53PM +0200, Ernst Rohlicek jun. wrote:
From my perspective, I wanted to register for an account over a week
ago and didn't get an activation reply so far besides, some info
is outdated (2G limit?!) and the TWiki is from 2002 if I'm correct.
Thomas Schwinge has been working on finding a replacement for the wiki,
but he is on vacation currently and will be back in September.

K, sounds good.

In the mean time I'll try to get some time off to do the manual
actiavtion of new accounts. (It's a bit of a pain since a lot of them
are bogus spam-bot registrations, which is the reason this manual step
was needed in the first place).

I would also be willing to offer hosting and maintenance for it (if
the Gnufans domain is taken care of).
Duck has also offered hosting, that should not be a problem.
What might help is getting a dump/backup of the current gnufans wiki so
we can restore/integrate it with whatever wiki we are going to use.

As I've said in a previous post I'm willing to take the time out to
make that dump whenever there's a commitment from the community of
people using it and a solid host that can handle the job. It's a lot
of work keeping a wiki this visible free from spam.

Plus, does anybody know of plans for Savannah to supply wikis to its
projects?

That would be the best thing IMH, but wiki documentation has
traditionally not been seen as a, how should I put it, "kosher/halal"
form of documentation. But that is just my personal impression.

Regards
/Jocke

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>Thomas Schwinge has been working on finding a replacement for the
>wiki, but he is on vacation currently and will be back in September.
>
K, sounds good.
>
In the mean time I'll try to get some time off to do the manual
actiavtion of new accounts. (It's a bit of a pain since a lot of them
are bogus spam-bot registrations, which is the reason this manual step
was needed in the first place).

Thanks for taking the time to do activation.

As for the above "finding a replacement for the wiki" - what else did
you have in mind, wikis being quite fine for collaboration?

thing I've seen is this:


>I would also be willing to offer hosting and maintenance for it (if
>the Gnufans domain is taken care of).
>Duck has also offered hosting, that should not be a problem.
>What might help is getting a dump/backup of the current gnufans wiki
>so we can restore/integrate it with whatever wiki we are going to
>use.
>
As I've said in a previous post I'm willing to take the time out to
make that dump whenever there's a commitment from the community of
people using it and a solid host that can handle the job. It's a lot
of work keeping a wiki this visible free from spam.

If no-one else stands up, I'd do it. All I need is the dump files and a
hosting space (an installed empty wiki or FTP if there's no wiki set up
yet) I'd personally use MediaWiki or MoinMoin, *maybe* TWiki.

I know about the goo security features of MediaWiki and MoinMoin, not
sure about TWiki.

See here for MM:

which leads to

under point 8, 12 and 19

MediaWiki should offer some features in that direction (most popular
wiki), but that could also make it the most attackable. Besides, all
MW-based sites basically look the same (but that's personal opinion).

Anyway, I'd be ready to convert pages & links to something more
up-to-date and spam-resistant. Let's do something.


>Plus, does anybody know of plans for Savannah to supply wikis to its
>projects?
>
That would be the best thing IMH, but wiki documentation has
traditionally not been seen as a, how should I put it, "kosher/halal"
form of documentation. But that is just my personal impression.

Yeah, people trust an issued document more (a Handbook like the BSDs
have it, a versioned and dated doxygen page or something similar), but
those do not have any collaborative features and are usually more out of
date.

If you check out the PHP documentation, this is great - there's official
docs and users can at least add comments with their experiences and
additional info. But even the PHP documentation pages are not *really*
collaborative - as long as the Hurd is in flux, the docs should also be
able to. And you can still put links to a doxygen-generated API
documentation page, which could be generated daily from CVS.

I think that if you enforce a certain style of writing and clean up
"messy" paragraphs or sections, ie. moderate it a bit, we should be just
fine.

Regards
/Jocke

Greets,
Ernst Rohlicek jun.

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Hello!

Sorry, still no real news, but

Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 03:04:34AM +0200, Marc Dequ?nes wrote:
Marc Dequ?nes (Duck) <duck (AT) duckcorp (DOT) orgwrites:

Thomas, anything decided yet ? Do you need an hosting place ? If so,
DuckCorp could help in this area.

I will get back to that in case it's needed.

[hurd.gnufans.org]

Arf, this domain name is nice. I could sponsor the fee if needed.

I have no particular feeling about keping or dropping that domain name.

Anything new ? Anything decided ?

Thoughts are going into the direction of having a general GNU wiki. But
I need more time to think about that, evaluate a lot of different issues,
set up a testing environment, etc.

Can we continue to use the existing wiki until then?

Regards,
Thomas

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Thomas Schwinge wrote:
Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 03:04:34AM +0200, Marc D wrote:

>Anything new ? Anything decided ?
>
Thoughts are going into the direction of having a general GNU wiki. But
I need more time to think about that, evaluate a lot of different issues,
set up a testing environment, etc.

About time! :)

Can we continue to use the existing wiki until then?

course.

Regards
/Joachim

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Hello!

Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 08:19:59AM +0200, Joachim Nilsson wrote:
8/11/06, Michael Banck <mbanck (AT) debian (DOT) orgwrote:
>Thomas Schwinge has been working on finding a replacement for the wiki,
>but he is on vacation currently and will be back in September.

K, sounds good.

Sorry for the delay, but I'm _now_ working on completing this wiki
migration effort! :-)


>What might help is getting a dump/backup of the current gnufans wiki so
>we can restore/integrate it with whatever wiki we are going to use.

As I've said in a previous post I'm willing to take the time out to
make that dump whenever there's a commitment from the community of
people using it

, so I could _now_ make great use of such a dump. I think I have a
converter from twiki rcs format to the new wiki's format.

a solid host that can handle the job.

We'll see how that'll work out. A GNU/Hurd machine shall be it. :-)


>Plus, does anybody know of plans for Savannah to supply wikis to its
>projects?

That would be the best thing IMH, but wiki documentation has
traditionally not been seen as a, how should I put it, "kosher/halal"
form of documentation. But that is just my personal impression.

Working on that will be another step as soon as the new Hurd wiki proves
to work out well.

Regards,
Thomas

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4/11/07, Thomas Schwinge <tschwinge (AT) gnu (DOT) orgwrote:
Hello!

Hi there! :-)

Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 08:19:59AM +0200, Joachim Nilsson wrote:
8/11/06, Michael Banck <mbanck (AT) debian (DOT) orgwrote:
>Thomas Schwinge has been working on finding a replacement for the wiki,
>but he is on vacation currently and will be back in September.
K, sounds good.
Sorry for the delay, but I'm _now_ working on completing this wiki
migration effort! :-)

Great!

>What might help is getting a dump/backup of the current gnufans wiki so
>we can restore/integrate it with whatever wiki we are going to use.
As I've said in a previous post I'm willing to take the time out to
make that dump whenever there's a commitment from the community of
people using it
, so I could _now_ make great use of such a dump. I think I have a
converter from twiki rcs format to the new wiki's format.

K, reply to me privately and we can make up the arrangements for
transferring the dump. There are some potentially sensitive
passwords/private data that could otherwise leak

I can setup a temporary FTP download or, if you prefer, upload it to a
server of your choosing.

a solid host that can handle the job.
We'll see how that'll work out. A GNU/Hurd machine shall be it. :-)

Cool! About time we setup a work horse server based on Gnu/Hurd that
gets some heavier usage. Will you administer it yourself or is there
a team of admins to manage it?

>Plus, does anybody know of plans for Savannah to supply wikis to its
>projects?
That would be the best thing IMH, but wiki documentation has
traditionally not been seen as a, how should I put it, "kosher/halal"
form of documentation. But that is just my personal impression.
Working on that will be another step as soon as the new Hurd wiki proves
to work out well.

The most difficult issue, when I discussed it a couple of years ago
with Richard, was that of copyright assignment for Wiki content.
Basically, Richard was K with using wikis as long as its content was
never used in official documents (info/man/etc), since its origin
could not be safely established (anonymous edits and signup).

To the rest of the community, good luck with the Hurd and the future Wiki!

Regards
/Jocke

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