Have you actually watched the video? It presents facts and historical accounts and leaves it to the viewer to make up their own mind.
simon (AT) snosoft (DOT) com wrote:
From: Simon Smith <simon (AT) snosoft (DOT) com>
To: "Gary E. Miller" <gem (AT) rellim (DOT) com>
Cc: full-disclosure (AT) lists (DOT) grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] **LosseChange::Debunk it?**
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:22:09 -0400
Gary,
I think that I'm in line with you. Anyone can market anything to
look like anything, and this is just marketing. I mean hell, its like
Microsoft's marketing, they could market a rock Its secure, stable,
won't go down, can withstand drops, doesn't consume any electricity,
etc. I think thats all that this video is
Gary E. Miller wrote:
Yo Simon!
Mon, 8 May 2006, Simon Smith wrote:
>
>Has anyone seen this video? What do you guys make of it?
>>
>>
That has been floating around a while. If the subject was anything else
I would find it an amusing hatchet job. Since the subject is 9/11 I
thought
the wholesale inventions and distortions to be beyond tasteless. I love a
good conspiracy theory but this is clearly pure fantasy.
I have discussed this with some folks in Europe and it is quite popular
over there. The Beastie Boys even used parts of this as a top music
video. It works better over there where they have not been deluged with
all the eyewitness acounts we have had. Man in the street stuff that
plainly contradicts this video. Plus Bush's obvious lies after 9/11
have reflected great suspicion over what the US says about 9/11.
RGDS
GARY
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Yo Bill!

Wed, 10 May 2006, bills (AT) momineen (DOT) org wrote:

Have you actually watched the video?

Yes, several times. I try to withhold comment on things I lack first
hand experience about.

It presents facts and historical accounts and leaves it to the viewer to
make up their own mind.

I am both a commercial pilot and an engineer. As an engineer I have
worked on many failure analysis projects. I have also visited the
Pentagon and the World Trade towers. Some of my friends watched the
towers fall. To me the "facts" and "historical accounts" were just
ludicrous. CSI and MI:3 are more credible than this turkey.

RGDS
GARY
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the only "fact" worth investigating in this is the sales of stocks leading
up to 911.
viewed from a technical standpoint on the pentagon attack and the towers
collapse well this is just pure bull****. anyone with basic physics and
any amount of avation experience can see the author is absolutly clueless in
regards to these technical points.

my2bits,
MW

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Thu, 11 May 2006, eisi (AT) security-news (DOT) at wrote:

So, if possible - does anyone have an explanation about the pentagon imp
act as
shown in the video?

Here is a good start:

It gets a few things wrong, but is a good start.

Still it is a good starting point if you have too much free time on
your hands.

RGDS
GARY
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K, the video shows a lot of nonsense "facts". I'm not an aviation engineer,
but technical educated. I don't think that there where real explosions when
the towers went down, but I did not hear any verifyable clarification about
the impact in the pentagon.

This is the part, which makes me distrustful.

So, if possible - does anyone have an explanation about the pentagon impact as
shown in the video?

Regards,
Eisi

Thursday 11 May 2006 02:19, Morning Wood wrote:
the only "fact" worth investigating in this is the sales of stocks leading
up to 911.
viewed from a technical standpoint on the pentagon attack and the towers
collapse well this is just pure bull****. anyone with basic physics and
any amount of avation experience can see the author is absolutly clueless
in regards to these technical points.

my2bits,
MW

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First disturbing thing about these videos is the amount of people who
instanly say how fake they are. This one was a bit different. I don't
believe the author even thinks he is 100% correct, but if some video from a
gas station or a hotel rooftop captured this event, well then why would you
not say here it is and show it to everyone? Would seeing more proof not
just enforce thier position even more? Personally I can't believe a plane,
made out of metal vaporized, vanished, and the people inside it did not.
The seat, gone. The overhead compartement full of laptops, ipods, clothing,
etc, gone. The serving trays, the oxygen masks, the luggage, the animals in
the luggage compartment, gone. The huge metal wings, the Rolls-Royce
engine, the tail section much larger then the small 12-16 foot hole, gone.
But miraculously all the people could be identified. Come on. If you
actually subscribe to this list, there is no way you could possibly believe
that crock.

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Yo Emmanuel!

As a pilot I have seen the remains of fatal airplane crashes.
containing the remains of a friend of mine. Held airplane wreckage in
my hands.

You may think that an airplane is a big hulking solid thing. Not
true. Most places the skin and ribs is not much thicker than a beer
can. Throw that against a blast wall or hard earth at 500+ mph and the
amount of wreckage ends up being surprisingly small. Then start a fire
with a huge amount of Jet-A. The resulting fire will burn the aluminum,
the plastic, the seats, the insulation on the wire, most everything.

The NTSB Accident Investigators call them "Cruise Missles" because of the
obvious similarites to flight path and wreckage. For comparison "Lawn
Darts" are what they call planes that break up in the air, or stall in.

In an hour or two after the fire goes out you are left mostly with a
black smudge on the ground with a few random bits and pieces of hard
stuff. Like landing gear, bones and teeth. The bones and teeth are how
you ID the victims. Since the coroner has the passenger manifest he
has a real good start on the ID and will be inclined to provide an ID
even in very questionable cases so that folks can get on with grieving,
collect on insurance and such. The landing gear, which are the only
truly massive pieces of steel in an an airplane, are what punched the 12
foot hole in the inner ring.

I suggest you study some other air crashes to compare to this one. Take
a look at what happens to an airplane cabin after the center fuel tank
catches fire. There is a good reason the FAA says you have 90 seconds
to evac from even a low G crash. The ensuing fire can be nearly all
consuming.

Try googling a bit and you will see for yourself. Here are a
few pics to get you started:

You want a good consipiracy to howl about you will find much better
material looking in to the NSA, Eschelon, Valerie Plame, etc.

RGDS
GARY
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Thu, 11 May 2006, emmanuel lewis wrote:

First disturbing thing about these videos is the amount of people who
instanly say how fake they are. This one was a bit different. I don't
believe the author even thinks he is 100% correct, but if some video from a
gas station or a hotel rooftop captured this event, well then why would you
not say here it is and show it to everyone? Would seeing more proof not
just enforce thier position even more? Personally I can't believe a plane,
made out of metal vaporized, vanished, and the people inside it did not.
The seat, gone. The overhead compartement full of laptops, ipods, clothing,
etc, gone. The serving trays, the oxygen masks, the luggage, the animals in
the luggage compartment, gone. The huge metal wings, the Rolls-Royce
engine, the tail section much larger then the small 12-16 foot hole, gone.
But miraculously all the people could be identified. Come on. If you
actually subscribe to this list, there is no way you could possibly believe
that crock.

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