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No.1 | | 198 bytes | |
Glenn Crouch wrote:
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And isn't a disappointment to see 64-bits so very far away?
David
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No.2 | | 1549 bytes | |
IMH 64 bits is not really far away, it's actually closer than expected!
I mean - the market for applications that specifically need 64 bits is
really, really narrow. And the 64 bit Windows is really far from what it
should be.

the other hand, considering Vista's hunger for memory, 64 bit Windows
will be used more and more, by more people, and that will create more
traction for it. I'm personally using Vista 64 bit so I can have +4Gb
RAM in my host system, so I can run a +2Gb XP 32Bit Virtual Machine -
and it's a pain, drivers are pour quality (if they exist at all). And I
learned the hard way that "supports all Windows versions, including
Vista" never means "Includes Vista/XP 64 bit support".

I consider proper Unicode support in the VCL and generics to be much
more important features!
For me, 64 bit goes into the same category as dot NET: good technology
to be used at some distant point in time.

Just my 2 cents,
Cosmin Prund

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From: delphi-bounces (AT) elists (DOT) org [mailto:delphi-bounces (AT) elists (DOT) org]
Behalf David J Taylor
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Borland's Delphi Discussion List
Subject: Re: Delphi RoadMap has been published

Glenn Crouch wrote:

eLists Manager

And isn't a disappointment to see 64-bits so very far away?

David

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No.3 | | 2040 bytes | |
I agree. 64-bit apps will only really be useful for developers writing
software for a specific firm who have decided to upgrade all their PC's to
64-bit. It's going to take a few years before more than 50% of PC's out
there are 64-bit, so in the meantime you would have to provide both 32-bit
and 64-bit compiles of your app, or just stick with 32 bit which runs fine
on both platforms.

I know of a high profile Windows 16-bit cashbook app that is still for sale
and selling strongly after 15 years. Now that Microsoft decided to stop
support for 16 bit apps in it's 64-bit /S, they will have to move on to 32
bit.

Ross.

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From: delphi-bounces (AT) elists (DOT) org [mailto:delphi-bounces (AT) elists (DOT) org] Behalf
Cosmin Prund
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2007 22:32
To: Borland's Delphi Discussion List
Subject: RE: Delphi RoadMap has been published

IMH 64 bits is not really far away, it's actually closer than expected!
I mean - the market for applications that specifically need 64 bits is
really, really narrow. And the 64 bit Windows is really far from what it
should be.

the other hand, considering Vista's hunger for memory, 64 bit Windows
will be used more and more, by more people, and that will create more
traction for it. I'm personally using Vista 64 bit so I can have +4Gb
RAM in my host system, so I can run a +2Gb XP 32Bit Virtual Machine -
and it's a pain, drivers are pour quality (if they exist at all). And I
learned the hard way that "supports all Windows versions, including
Vista" never means "Includes Vista/XP 64 bit support".

I consider proper Unicode support in the VCL and generics to be much
more important features!
For me, 64 bit goes into the same category as dot NET: good technology
to be used at some distant point in time.

Just my 2 cents,
Cosmin Prund

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No.4 | | 495 bytes | |
At 04:31 PM 6/22/2007, Nesler, Thomas J wrote:
>I will be interested in the BDE replacement but I have no use for the
>Dot Net framework and Unicode VCL. The Turbo versions would be my first
>choice, but they really have dumbed those offerings down IM So, I
>guess I will stick with Delphi5 for now.

Isn't Delphi 2007 the best upgrade for you? Not Delphi Turbo.

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No.5 | | 1865 bytes | |
I don't think the availability of 64 bits computers at a site would be
much of a problem for the kind of applications that may benefit from 64
bit applications! 64 bits are only useful for scientific applications
that need to process whooping chunks of unstructured data (pictures?) or
for applications that might be harmed by memory address space
fragmentation (can't imagine an good example for this one). I'm sure
anyone dealing with +2Gb of application data (again, read +2Gb
uncompressed images) is already using 64 bits so they can load the PC
with more RAM.

The kind of applications used in most offices will never benefit from 64
bits. will never benefit from 64 bits and indeed, there's no 64
bit yet! (I'm using 2007 on a Vista 64 machines and I can
clearly see in Task Manager that is a 32 bit application, not 64
bit). An accounting application will never benefit from 64 bits: I don't
think an invoice will ever reach 1Gb in size.

Also switching from 32 bit to 64 bit will be a huge jump for any
developer, one that shouldn't be made unless there are clear benefits
for the given application (not because "that's the trend"). Don't know
about your coding style, but most of my applications would fail if my
compiler would suddenly have S(Integer) <S(Pointer). My
applications would also be harmed by "S(char) = 2" as would be the
case if strings turn Unicode but that's something I'm willing to go
through, as my application's gui is in Romanian (ie: not English) so
I've got a lot of problems with locales and non-English characters.

This is why I consider 64 bit support a low priority and this is why I
consider its inclusion as soon as the second half of next year to be
"early" not "late".

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