Wednesday 07 February 2007 07:46:09 pm Troy Unrau wrote:
Hey guys, just joined the list since many people are bugging me to
start coordinating topics and such. Kind of been free-wheeling while
I'm writing the Road to KDE 4 stuff.

Welcome!

The stuff I'm writing is less official than kde-promo stuff is
normally - I'm trying to cater to users and not play up technologies
in a PR style release, so some of my topics will be less organized.
That said, in order to avoid duplication, I'll be posting my topics
lists here so we're not stepping one another's toes.

Don't be so sure that kde-promo stuff is more "official". Where its been and
where its going are two very different things ;)

That said - coordination would be great, an article was half-written on
MS/Win32 when yours cropped up ;)

So anyway, here are my topics planned for the next four weeks, subject
to change:

Next week:

o is the feature - some comment on Ligature and hopefully their
peaceful coexistence

*sigh* I hadn't kept up with the thread, but I had hoped this was resolved
anyways, might also want to ask Albert Astals Cid about his plans for the
pdftk front end KDE lacks a good PDF modification package, so I don't know
if plans will include adding this in. If so, it'd probably make a nice
addition to the article.

After that, in no particular order:

o : Style, Windeco, Icons as a unified artistic impression -
this will be written once Riddell merges their work branch back into
trunk

Ack! Thats the next Pillars of KDE article coming up see? Good thing
you're on here now ;)

o Strigi/Nepomuk/jstream: oever tells me to wait two weeks until he's
got a little more KDE integration done before I show it off - so this
one is not far away
o KDEPIM frameworks: akonadi, frinrings new libs, etc.

I have a list of about 15 other topics prepared that I will slot in as
necessary. Many are KDE 4 core technologies, but other are
applications that are seeing great new work (like konsole-split-view
branch), so there's a good mix. Whoever is writing the Pillars
series, we should talk so that we are not featuring the same stuff too
close together.

Right now, Nathon has been working on the articles primarily, as others
have had a high (non-KDE workload), some are working on the new site, etc.
All of the articles and efforts, though, are a group effort - we make use of
each other to get ideas, feedback, editorial review, etc.

Every few months I'm planning to do a 'quickies' version, which
updates on previously released articles, so that people can see
progress from previous work to present. SVG and KJobs are so far the
ideal candidates for this sort of update article Probably March
1st.

Awesome - I dig that idea :)

I also have had a few other article series ideas that I would like to
start to work on as KDE 4 gets closer. A series of HWT articles
detailing how users can contribute to KDE development without having
to be coders or elite artists. This would include things like filling
out the kappfinder database, the kalzium glossary, kppp ISP info
submissions, how to join translation teams, etc.

This would make a great article, but may also have a permanent home on
spreadkde.org as well (as a way to "get involved").

I briefly talked to dannya about the idea of putting together a
monthly KDE magazine in PDF (or even print) version that pulls
together KDE news, PR, howtos, etc. into a nice format. Any thoughts
on this (yay or nay) would be good :)

I'd say PDF would be great - huge undertaking though :)

And lastly, I am planning an April Fools article: Something along the
lines of KDE committing to LCARS style interface for the entire
system. Mostly an opportunity to poke some fun, and do some mockups
and pass them off as screenies. This would be funnier if the KDE
websites can apply an LCARS css theme for the day :) I'm a nerd, oh
well.
--
Troy Unrau

You've made some great efforts so far, and I'm anxious to see other things you
come up with in the future. again, welcome :)

07/02/07, Joseph M. Gaffney <cucullin (AT) wtfisthat (DOT) netwrote:
Wednesday 07 February 2007 07:46:09 pm Troy Unrau wrote:
Hey guys, just joined the list since many people are bugging me to
start coordinating topics and such. Kind of been free-wheeling while
I'm writing the Road to KDE 4 stuff.

Welcome!

The stuff I'm writing is less official than kde-promo stuff is
normally - I'm trying to cater to users and not play up technologies
in a PR style release, so some of my topics will be less organized.
That said, in order to avoid duplication, I'll be posting my topics
lists here so we're not stepping one another's toes.

Don't be so sure that kde-promo stuff is more "official". Where its been and
where its going are two very different things ;)

That said - coordination would be great, an article was half-written on
MS/Win32 when yours cropped up ;)

I do most of my research via irc and email, and was talking a lot to
RangerRick about this subject. I jumped on it the moment I could, and
was not aware at all about a platform release announcement in progress
over here.

So anyway, here are my topics planned for the next four weeks, subject
to change:

Next week:

o is the feature - some comment on Ligature and hopefully their
peaceful coexistence

*sigh* I hadn't kept up with the thread, but I had hoped this was resolved
anyways, might also want to ask Albert Astals Cid about his plans for the
pdftk front end KDE lacks a good PDF modification package, so I don't know
if plans will include adding this in. If so, it'd probably make a nice
addition to the article.

I'm going to concentrate on , and mention Ligature mostly as a
feature comparison (much in the same way an article on konq would
reference firefox). Hopefully the flame war in the comments is mild.
I did notice his blog post. Getting one of or Ligature to move
that direction would be a sure-fire way to end the bickering :)

After that, in no particular order:

o : Style, Windeco, Icons as a unified artistic impression -
this will be written once Riddell merges their work branch back into
trunk

Ack! Thats the next Pillars of KDE article coming up see? Good thing
you're on here now ;)

I've been bugging them on #kde-artists for a while, keeping track of
progress. Basically I'm going to jump on the topic at the moment it
gets merged into truck. I'm trying to showcase defaults in all of my
articles to show the progress in KDE as it moves towards 4.0, so it'd
make good screenshots :) That doesn't preclude a more formal
"Pillars" article describing all the benefits and reasons for moving
to , but rather I want to put this one out while it's hot --
users get all worked up over visual stuff :)

o Strigi/Nepomuk/jstream: oever tells me to wait two weeks until he's
got a little more KDE integration done before I show it off - so this
one is not far away
o KDEPIM frameworks: akonadi, frinrings new libs, etc.

I have a list of about 15 other topics prepared that I will slot in as
necessary. Many are KDE 4 core technologies, but other are
applications that are seeing great new work (like konsole-split-view
branch), so there's a good mix. Whoever is writing the Pillars
series, we should talk so that we are not featuring the same stuff too
close together.

Right now, Nathon has been working on the articles primarily, as others
have had a high (non-KDE workload), some are working on the new site, etc.
All of the articles and efforts, though, are a group effort - we make use of
each other to get ideas, feedback, editorial review, etc.

I will continue to write much in the same fashion I have been, except
to ensure there are no topic conflicts :)

Every few months I'm planning to do a 'quickies' version, which
updates on previously released articles, so that people can see
progress from previous work to present. SVG and KJobs are so far the
ideal candidates for this sort of update article Probably March
1st.

Awesome - I dig that idea :)

I also have had a few other article series ideas that I would like to
start to work on as KDE 4 gets closer. A series of HWT articles
detailing how users can contribute to KDE development without having
to be coders or elite artists. This would include things like filling
out the kappfinder database, the kalzium glossary, kppp ISP info
submissions, how to join translation teams, etc.

This would make a great article, but may also have a permanent home on
spreadkde.org as well (as a way to "get involved").

I'll write 'em if other people can find homes for them once they're published

I briefly talked to dannya about the idea of putting together a
monthly KDE magazine in PDF (or even print) version that pulls
together KDE news, PR, howtos, etc. into a nice format. Any thoughts
on this (yay or nay) would be good :)

I'd say PDF would be great - huge undertaking though :)

Maybe that PDF editor would be useful *grins*

And lastly, I am planning an April Fools article: Something along the
lines of KDE committing to LCARS style interface for the entire
system. Mostly an opportunity to poke some fun, and do some mockups
and pass them off as screenies. This would be funnier if the KDE
websites can apply an LCARS css theme for the day :) I'm a nerd, oh
well.
--
Troy Unrau

You've made some great efforts so far, and I'm anxious to see other things you
come up with in the future. again, welcome :)

Thanks

I'm planning to release the article on the Tuesday after the
trunk merge. I have a policy of only showing things that are KDE
defaults so this precludes me from writing about kwin_composite,
for instance, until it's merged into trunk. There is a kdelibs branch
in branches/work/ that was created a few days ago in order to convert
it to use oxygen. That will be merged back into KDE proper on a
kdelibs monday, and my articles go live on tuesdays. I'll be writing
oxygen that monday night :) So if it's this week, it's this week. If
it's in three weeks, so be it. I may also end up featuring it in
chunks, say if the icons go in but not the style right away.

Cheers

07/02/07, Nathan <nathanogden76 (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

Troy Unrau wrote:
07/02/07, Joseph M. Gaffney <cucullin (AT) wtfisthat (DOT) netwrote:
--
Wednesday 07 February 2007 07:46:09 pm Troy Unrau wrote:
--
Hey guys, just joined the list since many people are bugging me to
start coordinating topics and such. Kind of been free-wheeling while
I'm writing the Road to KDE 4 stuff.

Welcome!

Yes, welcome!
>
>
>
After that, in no particular order:

o : Style, Windeco, Icons as a unified artistic impression -
this will be written once Riddell merges their work branch back into
trunk

Ack! Thats the next Pillars of KDE article coming up see? Good thing
you're on here now ;)

I've been bugging them on #kde-artists for a while, keeping track of
progress. Basically I'm going to jump on the topic at the moment it
gets merged into truck. I'm trying to showcase defaults in all of my
articles to show the progress in KDE as it moves towards 4.0, so it'd
make good screenshots :) That doesn't preclude a more formal
"Pillars" article describing all the benefits and reasons for moving
to ,
The first part of our pillars article on Decibel just got posted on the
dot! 8-) We will be having 3 more parts to this article posted every
2-3 days.

is the next pillar on the list, but we have not yet begun our
information gathering. It will probably take us at least 1-2 weeks to put
the article together, maybe longer. Do you have any guess as to when you are
likely to post your article? We probably can space the posting of the
2 articles enough to not be a problem.

but rather I want to put this one out while it's hot --
users get all worked up over visual stuff :)

I've noticed. ;-)
>
>
>
>
o Strigi/Nepomuk/jstream: oever tells me to wait two weeks until he's
got a little more KDE integration done before I show it off - so this
one is not far away
o KDEPIM frameworks: akonadi, frinrings new libs, etc.

I have a list of about 15 other topics prepared that I will slot in as
necessary. Many are KDE 4 core technologies, but other are
applications that are seeing great new work (like konsole-split-view
branch), so there's a good mix. Whoever is writing the Pillars
series, we should talk so that we are not featuring the same stuff too
close together.

Right now, Nathon has been working on the articles primarily, as
others
have had a high (non-KDE workload), some are working on the new site, etc.
All of the articles and efforts, though, are a group effort - we make use of
each other to get ideas, feedback, editorial review, etc.

I will continue to write much in the same fashion I have been, except
to ensure there are no topic conflicts :)

Now that we are on talking terms ;-) , the articles will probably
be the hardest to coordinate. The other "duplicates" should not be a
problem.
>
>
>
I briefly talked to dannya about the idea of putting together a
monthly KDE magazine in PDF (or even print) version that pulls
together KDE news, PR, howtos, etc. into a nice format. Any thoughts
on this (yay or nay) would be good :)

yay (as long as I don't have to do the work ;-) )
--
Nathan

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Welcome to the list Troy.

2/7/07, Troy Unrau <troy.unrau (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
I'm planning to release the article on the Tuesday after the
trunk merge. I have a policy of only showing things that are KDE
defaults so this precludes me from writing about kwin_composite,
for instance, until it's merged into trunk. There is a kdelibs branch
in branches/work/ that was created a few days ago in order to convert
it to use oxygen. That will be merged back into KDE proper on a
kdelibs monday, and my articles go live on tuesdays. I'll be writing
oxygen that monday night :) So if it's this week, it's this week. If
it's in three weeks, so be it. I may also end up featuring it in
chunks, say if the icons go in but not the style right away.

So, is there a chance for collaboration here? The types of articles
that Troy write would be good for the first part of a series (in the
case for ). We can the work on the interview, definitions
(HIG,CIG,color palette,etc), and the other aspects.

Cheers

07/02/07, Nathan <nathanogden76 (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

Troy Unrau wrote:
07/02/07, Joseph M. Gaffney <cucullin (AT) wtfisthat (DOT) netwrote:
--
Wednesday 07 February 2007 07:46:09 pm Troy Unrau wrote:
--
Hey guys, just joined the list since many people are bugging me to
start coordinating topics and such. Kind of been free-wheeling while
I'm writing the Road to KDE 4 stuff.

Welcome!

Yes, welcome!
>
>
>
After that, in no particular order:

o : Style, Windeco, Icons as a unified artistic impression -
this will be written once Riddell merges their work branch back into
trunk

Ack! Thats the next Pillars of KDE article coming up see? Good thing
you're on here now ;)

I've been bugging them on #kde-artists for a while, keeping track of
progress. Basically I'm going to jump on the topic at the moment it
gets merged into truck. I'm trying to showcase defaults in all of my
articles to show the progress in KDE as it moves towards 4.0, so it'd
make good screenshots :) That doesn't preclude a more formal
"Pillars" article describing all the benefits and reasons for moving
to ,
The first part of our pillars article on Decibel just got posted on the
dot! 8-) We will be having 3 more parts to this article posted every
2-3 days.

is the next pillar on the list, but we have not yet begun our
information gathering. It will probably take us at least 1-2 weeks to put
the article together, maybe longer. Do you have any guess as to when you are
likely to post your article? We probably can space the posting of the
2 articles enough to not be a problem.

but rather I want to put this one out while it's hot --
users get all worked up over visual stuff :)

I've noticed. ;-)
>
>
>
>
o Strigi/Nepomuk/jstream: oever tells me to wait two weeks until he's
got a little more KDE integration done before I show it off - so this
one is not far away
o KDEPIM frameworks: akonadi, frinrings new libs, etc.

I have a list of about 15 other topics prepared that I will slot in as
necessary. Many are KDE 4 core technologies, but other are
applications that are seeing great new work (like konsole-split-view
branch), so there's a good mix. Whoever is writing the Pillars
series, we should talk so that we are not featuring the same stuff too
close together.

Right now, Nathon has been working on the articles primarily, as
others
have had a high (non-KDE workload), some are working on the new site, etc.
All of the articles and efforts, though, are a group effort - we make use of
each other to get ideas, feedback, editorial review, etc.

I will continue to write much in the same fashion I have been, except
to ensure there are no topic conflicts :)

Now that we are on talking terms ;-) , the articles will probably
be the hardest to coordinate. The other "duplicates" should not be a
problem.
>
>
>
I briefly talked to dannya about the idea of putting together a
monthly KDE magazine in PDF (or even print) version that pulls
together KDE news, PR, howtos, etc. into a nice format. Any thoughts
on this (yay or nay) would be good :)

yay (as long as I don't have to do the work ;-) )
--
Nathan

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07/02/07, Kurt Pfeifle <k1pfeifle (AT) gmx (DOT) netwrote:
Thursday 08 February 2007 01:07, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:

I'd say PDF would be great - huge undertaking though :)

Not really. The huge undertaking in the first place is to
write the quality content. Since we probably don't want to
publish in PDF exclusively, we also need some nice HTML.
Which is not difficult.

*that's* done, we have two basic choices for the PDF:

* the "cheap" one: convert HTML to PDF with the help of
"htmldoc". Examples attached.

* the "huge undertaking" one: create a professionally
looking layout with the help of Scribus. Examples you
can see in every printed magazine (because Scribus can
do most of this too).

I'm volunteering to cover the "cheap" road of producing
the PDF, if its quality is acceptable.

Now let's see if there is enough writer enthusiasm and
commitment to cover the content production. (We can of
course re-use a lot of the material that is being dis-
cussed here, and that got already published in these
excellent recent Dot series)

Cheers,
Kurt

BTW, did anyone notice the Nathan Sanders piece on Sonnet,
at www.linux.com? A very good article as well!

Hi Kurt,

I looked at the autogenerated content. I think that with some
formatting tricks, it'd work nicely. Should we perhaps arrange an irc
meeting to work on some more specifics? This assumes that Danny Allen
is in, since we'd be borrowing some of his content too :)

Thoughts anyone?

I looked at the autogenerated content. I think that with some
formatting tricks, it'd work nicely. Should we perhaps arrange an irc
meeting to work on some more specifics?

Yes, sure. It's just that I am not always available online.
Maybe Sunday evening? But that's a time when dannya is
really very busy, isn't it?

This assumes that Danny Allen
is in, since we'd be borrowing some of his content too :)

Kurt, How about sunday 8PM GMT, #kde-promo. We'll try not to
interrupt dannya too much, except to get his approval. :) Anyone else
that's interested should attend :)

Friday 09 February 2007 10:16:56 am Troy Unrau wrote:
I looked at the autogenerated content. I think that with some
formatting tricks, it'd work nicely. Should we perhaps arrange an irc
meeting to work on some more specifics?

Yes, sure. It's just that I am not always available online.
Maybe Sunday evening? But that's a time when dannya is
really very busy, isn't it?

This assumes that Danny Allen
is in, since we'd be borrowing some of his content too :)

Kurt, How about sunday 8PM GMT, #kde-promo. We'll try not to
interrupt dannya too much, except to get his approval. :) Anyone else
that's interested should attend :)

Added to my calendar I'll do my best to be there. Seems there is enough
interest to get the content together ;) (Which, btw, was what I was referring
to Kurt ;))

Now I'll stop typing due to overuse of the winky smiley.

09/02/07, Kurt Pfeifle <k1pfeifle (AT) gmx (DOT) netwrote:
Friday 09 February 2007 15:16, Troy Unrau wrote:
I looked at the autogenerated content. I think that with some
formatting tricks, it'd work nicely. Should we perhaps arrange an irc
meeting to work on some more specifics?

Yes, sure. It's just that I am not always available online.
Maybe Sunday evening? But that's a time when dannya is
really very busy, isn't it?

This assumes that Danny Allen
is in, since we'd be borrowing some of his content too :)

Kurt, How about sunday 8PM GMT, #kde-promo.

I'll try to make it. Need to find out what GMT is in UTC. :-)

Here we call our local timezones relative to GMT (I'm GMT +7, for
example), so I'm assuming GMT == UTC == zulu (silly yankees) please
correct me if I'm wrong

We'll try not to
interrupt dannya too much, except to get his approval. :) Anyone else
that's interested should attend :)

Cheers,
Kurt

Kurt, How about sunday 8PM GMT, #kde-promo.

I'll try to make it. Need to find out what GMT is in UTC. :-)

Here we call our local timezones relative to GMT (I'm GMT +7, for
example), so I'm assuming GMT == UTC == zulu (silly yankees) please
correct me if I'm wrong

Well, I hate replying to myself, but anyway: GMT == UTC, yes and my
local zone is actually -7 (or -6) depending on daylight savings time
or not -6 now so for me it'll be a 2PM meeting :)

We'll try not to
interrupt dannya too much, except to get his approval. :) Anyone else
that's interested should attend :)