Thursday 18 May 2006 23:00, Stefan L wrote: In KWord the right behavior (from my point of view) could be realized when paragraph top margins are ignored on [top] of a page unless it is combined with the option "Page break before". In typography you never want an unexpected spacing on top of a page, that will look weird since the whole (imaginary) baseline grid moves for that one page, which will make reading the pages (or just having them side by side) annoying. [1] I can see 2 cases where the user intentionally wants to have spacing at the top of a page. First is when a style demands it on the first page. A style like Title. But this is iffy since defining a header1 tends to have that same leading space and the user typically does not want that spacing there. Ambiguity is bad, don't do it there. So whats left is a very explicit call for asking that space on top of page; the "page break before" combined with the top margin. If we don't honor the top margin there then the 'top margin' property is useless for that style and that can certainly be seen as a bug. I'd say we use that to make this one case honor the spacing on top of a page. This comes down to my fully agreeing with the logic of Stefan that I quoted at the top of this email. 1) incidently this is the same for all frames, all the way upto multiple columns that are layed-out in a small corner of a page. So for KWord you can read s/page/frame for the rest of the email.