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    These seem to have been going on for months.
    Any chance they can be fixed and stop spamming us?
    Hen
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  • No.1 | | 616 bytes | |

    It's a break in how Jaxen works.

    Unless we upgrade all of Jelly to work with the code changes in Jaxen,
    the failures will continue.

    Personally, I'd rather stick where we are with jaxen in Jelly and stop
    Gump from nagging us.

    12/2/05, Henri Yandell <flamefew (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    These seem to have been going on for months.

    Any chance they can be fixed and stop spamming us?

    Hen

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  • No.2 | | 1003 bytes | |

    Irritating. :)

    The classic one, where if we turn it off we'll never turn it on again,
    but fixing the problem is not in the forseeable future.

    I'm +1 on turning it off. Maybe stick a note in the root dir of the Jelly svn.

    Hen

    12/1/05, Dion Gillard <dion.gillard (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    It's a break in how Jaxen works.

    Unless we upgrade all of Jelly to work with the code changes in Jaxen,
    the failures will continue.

    Personally, I'd rather stick where we are with jaxen in Jelly and stop
    Gump from nagging us.

    12/2/05, Henri Yandell <flamefew (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    These seem to have been going on for months.

    Any chance they can be fixed and stop spamming us?

    Hen

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  • No.3 | | 957 bytes | |

    Do i not understand Gump or the fact that we stick Jaxen head is
    something that could be changed ?
    Indeed, no-one really wishes to work with the latest jaxen currently.

    thanks

    paul

    Dion Gillard wrote:
    It's a break in how Jaxen works.
    Unless we upgrade all of Jelly to work with the code changes in Jaxen, the failures will continue.
    Personally, I'd rather stick where we are with jaxen in Jelly and stop Gump from nagging us.

    12/2/05, Henri Yandell <flamefew (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:

    >These seem to have been going on for months.
    >>

    >Any chance they can be fixed and stop spamming us?
    >>

    >Hen
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  • No.4 | | 1658 bytes | |

    Gump's drive has always been to let people know of problems in the
    future (at least that's how I've always seen it). By compiling head of
    each project against each other, they discover when a problem is in
    the pipeline.

    It seems that we should be able to freeze the version of Jaxen that
    Jelly uses in the gump descriptor and it'll stop complaining.

    Hen

    12/2/05, Paul Libbrecht <paul (AT) activemath (DOT) orgwrote:
    Do i not understand Gump or the fact that we stick Jaxen head is
    something that could be changed ?
    Indeed, no-one really wishes to work with the latest jaxen currently.

    thanks

    paul

    Dion Gillard wrote:
    It's a break in how Jaxen works.
    Unless we upgrade all of Jelly to work with the code changes in Jaxen, the failures will continue.
    Personally, I'd rather stick where we are with jaxen in Jelly and stop Gump from nagging us.

    12/2/05, Henri Yandell <flamefew (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote:
    >
    >These seem to have been going on for months.
    >>

    >Any chance they can be fixed and stop spamming us?
    >>

    >Hen
    >>

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  • No.5 | | 1468 bytes | |

    Fri, 02 Dec 2005, Paul Libbrecht <paul (AT) activemath (DOT) orgwrote:

    Do i not understand Gump or the fact that we stick Jaxen head is
    something that could be changed ?

    It could, but one of the main points of Gump is that you don't.

    In certain cases we know the HEAD of a project is going to develop
    into a direction that is going to break backwards compatibility and it
    is even intended to do so. In these cases we pick a branch (like we
    do for dom4j or did for commons-httpclient) or package up the version.

    Indeed, no-one really wishes to work with the latest jaxen
    currently.

    Will Jelly work against Jaxen 1.1? What are you going to tell your
    users who want to combine Jelly and Jaxen and want to use the latest
    released version of Jaxen?

    Next to (1) turn off nagging, (2) make Gump use a packaged version of
    Jaxen and (3) adapt to the changes in Jaxen there always is (4) make
    the Jaxen developers fix the breaking change.

    Note that I'm just stating the alternatives and to me (2) would be the
    worst option, since it meant closing the eyes and ignoring future
    problems. But whatever you deem appropriate, go ahead and modify
    Jelly's Gump descriptors.

    Cheers

    Stefan

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  • No.6 | | 1442 bytes | |

    Stefan Bodewig wrote:
    Will Jelly work against Jaxen 1.1? What are you going to tell your
    users who want to combine Jelly and Jaxen and want to use the latest
    released version of Jaxen?

    , its far worse than that. IIRC, Jelly works with Jaxen 1.1 beta 4.
    Jaxen 1.0 will not work, because it is incompatible with dom4j 1.5/6
    which is in use. Jaxen 1.1 beta-5+ is where the build failures came about.

    Next to (1) turn off nagging, (2) make Gump use a packaged version of
    Jaxen and (3) adapt to the changes in Jaxen there always is (4) make
    the Jaxen developers fix the breaking change.

    It was intentionally breaking, I think. I was told that it tightening up
    conformance. are welcome to pursue it further, this isn't really
    my realm of expertise.

    Note that I'm just stating the alternatives and to me (2) would be the
    worst option, since it meant closing the eyes and ignoring future
    problems. But whatever you deem appropriate, go ahead and modify
    Jelly's Gump descriptors.

    I agree. It should be fixed at either the Jelly or Jaxen end, but if
    nobody is stepping up to do so (and I certainly can't), then turn off
    the nags and put it in jira would be my vote.
    - Brett

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  • No.7 | | 749 bytes | |

    Brett Porter wrote:
    It was intentionally breaking, I think. I was told that it tightening
    up conformance. are welcome to pursue it further, this isn't
    really my realm of expertise.
    Brett, would you have a copy of the mails ?
    Such a strengthening would be related to a reported non-conformance
    issue, or?
    I agree. It should be fixed at either the Jelly or Jaxen end, but if
    nobody is stepping up to do so (and I certainly can't), then turn off
    the nags and put it in jira would be my vote.
    Maybe I find time to hit this

    paul

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  • No.8 | | 2340 bytes | |

    I'm trying hard to fail and fail to fail
    As I understand it would be enough to change
    ${JELLY_HME}/parent-project.xml to refer jaxen 1.1-beta-6, 1.1-beta-8
    or 1.1-beta-5 but "maven clean jar" still succeeds with me.

    Can it be this is related to the maven classpath ?
    Am I understanding something wrong of Gump or this should not be set and
    maven should proceeding using its own classpath ? (in my
    maven-1.1-beta-2, this is only forehead.jar which itself builds other
    classloaders based on maven-home).

    paul

    Brett Porter wrote:
    Stefan Bodewig wrote:

    >Will Jelly work against Jaxen 1.1? What are you going to tell your users who want to combine Jelly and Jaxen and want to use the latest released version of Jaxen?
    >
    >

    , its far worse than that. IIRC, Jelly works with Jaxen 1.1 beta 4. Jaxen 1.0 will not work, because it is incompatible with dom4j 1.5/6
    which is in use. Jaxen 1.1 beta-5+ is where the build failures came about.


    >Next to (1) turn off nagging, (2) make Gump use a packaged version of
    >Jaxen and (3) adapt to the changes in Jaxen there always is (4) make
    >the Jaxen developers fix the breaking change.
    >
    >

    It was intentionally breaking, I think. I was told that it tightening up
    conformance. are welcome to pursue it further, this isn't really
    my realm of expertise.


    >Note that I'm just stating the alternatives and to me (2) would be the
    >worst option, since it meant closing the eyes and ignoring future
    >problems. But whatever you deem appropriate, go ahead and modify
    >Jelly's Gump descriptors.
    >
    >

    I agree. It should be fixed at either the Jelly or Jaxen end, but if
    nobody is stepping up to do so (and I certainly can't), then turn off
    the nags and put it in jira would be my vote.

    - Brett

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  • No.9 | | 505 bytes | |

    Hi,

    i want to play around with some commons components to get a deeper
    understanding. I would like to start with compress.

    The examples are not online at the moment. I wanted to ask if somebody
    has a link with examples for me or other information about the roadmap
    or todo.

    Cheers + Thx,
    Chris

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  • No.10 | | 1532 bytes | |

    12/6/05, James Carman <james (AT) carmanconsulting (DOT) comwrote:
    Chris,

    I probably wouldn't choose a component in the "sandbox" to start off with
    If I were you, I'd start with one of the more popular commons components
    from the "proper." You might try Collections, Lang, BeanUtils, or Digester.
    Those are the ones that I've found most useful on the typical project.

    <snip/>

    True, TH, Chris, if [compress] has taken your fancy, please go for
    it. All Commons components are looking for volunteers. While picking
    up one that is less "popular" might mean longer response times on
    mailing lists or in Bugzilla, if you take up "spreading the word" as a
    challenge, I'm sure you'll find much joy along the way as well.
    -Rahul

    James

    Message
    From: C. Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier (AT) possessed (DOT) de]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:58 PM
    To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
    Subject: [compress] playing around

    Hi,

    i want to play around with some commons components to get a deeper
    understanding. I would like to start with compress.

    The examples are not online at the moment. I wanted to ask if somebody
    has a link with examples for me or other information about the roadmap
    or todo.
    --
    Cheers + Thx,
    Chris

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  • No.11 | | 1209 bytes | |

    It doesn't matter what Maven installation you use, I don't think, though
    IIRC Gump still uses 1.0.2 if that helps.

    I believe the failure is commons-jelly-tags-xml, not commons-jelly.

    Remember, gump uses the latest of everything, so you need to build the
    latests Jelly library snapshot and update the dependency of the tags to
    use that too.

    maven -X will reveal what libraries are actually in use.
    - Brett

    Paul Libbrecht wrote:

    I'm trying hard to fail and fail to fail
    As I understand it would be enough to change
    ${JELLY_HME}/parent-project.xml to refer jaxen 1.1-beta-6, 1.1-beta-8
    or 1.1-beta-5 but "maven clean jar" still succeeds with me.

    Can it be this is related to the maven classpath ?
    Am I understanding something wrong of Gump or this should not be set and
    maven should proceeding using its own classpath ? (in my
    maven-1.1-beta-2, this is only forehead.jar which itself builds other
    classloaders based on maven-home).

    paul

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  • No.12 | | 1880 bytes | |

    well, that was correct it was just a matter of trying and guessing
    which was the faulty one

    Change the current parent-project.xml at Jexl from 1.0 to SNAPSHT
    and you get a very similar error report as gump does.

    Change the current parent-project.xml at everything latest (except
    Xerces) but keep jexl 1.0 and you get a successful build.

    Can someone jexl aware investigate issues there ? Maybe I'll give it
    some cycles next week but not earlier.

    That should be pretty easy.

    thanks

    paul

    Brett Porter wrote:
    It doesn't matter what Maven installation you use, I don't think, though
    IIRC Gump still uses 1.0.2 if that helps.

    I believe the failure is commons-jelly-tags-xml, not commons-jelly.

    Remember, gump uses the latest of everything, so you need to build the
    latests Jelly library snapshot and update the dependency of the tags to
    use that too.

    maven -X will reveal what libraries are actually in use.

    - Brett

    Paul Libbrecht wrote:

    >I'm trying hard to fail and fail to fail
    >As I understand it would be enough to change
    >${JELLY_HME}/parent-project.xml to refer jaxen 1.1-beta-6, 1.1-beta-8
    >or 1.1-beta-5 but "maven clean jar" still succeeds with me.
    >>

    >Can it be this is related to the maven classpath ?
    >Am I understanding something wrong of Gump or this should not be set and
    >maven should proceeding using its own classpath ? (in my
    >maven-1.1-beta-2, this is only forehead.jar which itself builds other
    >classloaders based on maven-home).
    >


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  • No.13 | | 2429 bytes | |

    That totally surprises me, because I didn't think Jexl had changed since
    1.0.

    Dion is the only person I'm aware of here that has looked at that code.
    Dion?
    - Brett

    Paul Libbrecht wrote:
    well, that was correct it was just a matter of trying and guessing
    which was the faulty one

    Change the current parent-project.xml at Jexl from 1.0 to SNAPSHT
    and you get a very similar error report as gump does.

    Change the current parent-project.xml at everything latest (except
    Xerces) but keep jexl 1.0 and you get a successful build.

    Can someone jexl aware investigate issues there ? Maybe I'll give it
    some cycles next week but not earlier.

    That should be pretty easy.

    thanks

    paul

    Brett Porter wrote:
    >It doesn't matter what Maven installation you use, I don't think, though
    >IIRC Gump still uses 1.0.2 if that helps.
    >>

    >I believe the failure is commons-jelly-tags-xml, not commons-jelly.
    >>

    >Remember, gump uses the latest of everything, so you need to build the
    >latests Jelly library snapshot and update the dependency of the tags to
    >use that too.
    >>

    >maven -X will reveal what libraries are actually in use.
    >>

    >- Brett
    >>

    >Paul Libbrecht wrote:
    >

    I'm trying hard to fail and fail to fail
    As I understand it would be enough to change
    ${JELLY_HME}/parent-project.xml to refer jaxen 1.1-beta-6, 1.1-beta-8
    or 1.1-beta-5 but "maven clean jar" still succeeds with me.

    Can it be this is related to the maven classpath ?
    Am I understanding something wrong of Gump or this should not be set
    and
    maven should proceeding using its own classpath ? (in my
    maven-1.1-beta-2, this is only forehead.jar which itself builds other
    classloaders based on maven-home).

    --

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  • No.14 | | 2914 bytes | |

    Jexl has changed from 1.0. It used to provide all numbers as a Long,
    regardless of size.

    Since 1.0 to allow methods that take bytes, shorts etc to be invoked
    easier, the results are narrowed to a smaller type.

    This probably will need some investigation, as the change in JEXL may
    have broken compatibility accidentally.

    12/16/05, Brett Porter <brett (AT) apache (DOT) orgwrote:
    That totally surprises me, because I didn't think Jexl had changed since
    1.0.

    Dion is the only person I'm aware of here that has looked at that code.
    Dion?

    - Brett

    Paul Libbrecht wrote:
    well, that was correct it was just a matter of trying and guessing
    which was the faulty one

    Change the current parent-project.xml at Jexl from 1.0 to SNAPSHT
    and you get a very similar error report as gump does.

    Change the current parent-project.xml at everything latest (except
    Xerces) but keep jexl 1.0 and you get a successful build.

    Can someone jexl aware investigate issues there ? Maybe I'll give it
    some cycles next week but not earlier.

    That should be pretty easy.

    thanks

    paul

    Brett Porter wrote:
    >It doesn't matter what Maven installation you use, I don't think, though
    >IIRC Gump still uses 1.0.2 if that helps.
    >>

    >I believe the failure is commons-jelly-tags-xml, not commons-jelly.
    >>

    >Remember, gump uses the latest of everything, so you need to build the
    >latests Jelly library snapshot and update the dependency of the tags to
    >use that too.
    >>

    >maven -X will reveal what libraries are actually in use.
    >>

    >- Brett
    >>

    >Paul Libbrecht wrote:
    >>

    I'm trying hard to fail and fail to fail
    As I understand it would be enough to change
    ${JELLY_HME}/parent-project.xml to refer jaxen 1.1-beta-6, 1.1-beta-8
    or 1.1-beta-5 but "maven clean jar" still succeeds with me.

    Can it be this is related to the maven classpath ?
    Am I understanding something wrong of Gump or this should not be set
    and
    maven should proceeding using its own classpath ? (in my
    maven-1.1-beta-2, this is only forehead.jar which itself builds other
    classloaders based on maven-home).

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