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    Dear all,
    here the pointer to our preliminary draft: http://
    At the moment we worked out the "informal" description of the rules.
    Unfortunately we did not address all the issues but it is very
    important for the TF to have your opinion about the approach taken
    and the structure of the document.
    We are still adding contents, so it's likely we'll have few more
    elements to discuss about during the f2f.
    Many thanks for your help.
    Regards,
    Valentina
    Valentina Presutti
    Phd Student of Computer Science
    Department of Computer Science
    University of Bologna
    Mura anteo Zamboni 7
    Ph. +39 (0)51 20 94871
    Fax. +39 (0)51 20 94510
    home page: http://www.cs.unibo.it/~presutti
  • No.1 | | 2590 bytes | |

    >Dear all,
    >
    >here the pointer to our preliminary
    >draft:*<>
    >At the moment we worked out the "informal" description of the rules.


    If I might make a suggestion, it is usually less
    work in the long run to work out the formal
    mappings first, and then make sure that the
    informal account follows the mathematics.
    Informal rules made without paying attention to
    the underlying foundations are almost never
    correct.

    >Unfortunately we did not address all the issues
    >but it is very important for the TF to have your
    >opinion about the approach taken and the
    >structure of the document.


    A first quick look prompts the following immediate comment.

    The translation from RDFS to TM is defined in
    such a way that it depends on information which
    may not be available, in particular whether a
    resource is a member of the class
    rdftm:InformationResource. What is the intended
    translation technique to be used when membership
    in this class is unknown (as it will often be,
    presumably)?

    A related point, the document gives as an RDFTM 'rule',

    "If the resource is not an instance of
    rdftm:InformationResource, the resource becomes a
    subject locator"

    How is it possible to determine in RDFS that a
    resource is NT an instance of a class? Such
    information can be expressed in WL, but not in
    RDFS. It is not valid to infer non-membership in
    a class from a failure to prove membership in
    that class. The translation rule as stated seems
    therefore to be inapplicable to RDFS-to-TM
    translation, or ill-defined, or possibly both.

    I will send other comments later when I have had
    time to study the document more carefully, but
    these points seem central and require immediate
    attention.

    Pat Hayes

    >
    >We are still adding contents, so it's likely
    >we'll have few more elements to discuss about
    >during the f2f.
    >
    >Many thanks for your help.
    >
    >Regards,
    >Valentina
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Valentina Presutti
    >
    >
    >Phd Student of Computer Science
    >
    >Department of Computer Science
    >
    >University of Bologna
    >
    >Mura anteo Zamboni 7
    >
    >Ph. +39 (0)51 20 94871
    >
    >Fax. +39 (0)51 20 94510
    >
    >home page: <http://www.cs.unibo.it/~presutti>http://www.cs.unibo.it/~presutti
  • No.2 | | 3086 bytes | |

    Dear Pat,

    many thanks for your comments.
    I'll fix the document at my best considering them.

    If I might make a suggestion, it is usually less work in the long
    run to work out the formal mappings first, and then make sure that
    the informal account follows the mathematics. Informal rules made
    without paying attention to the underlying foundations are almost
    never correct.
    --
    You're probably right.
    intention is to go through the formal specification after the f2f
    meeting as we have to decide which formalism to use for this aim.

    A first quick look prompts the following immediate comment.

    The translation from RDFS to TM is defined in such a way that it
    depends on information which may not be available, in particular
    whether a resource is a member of the class
    rdftm:InformationResource. What is the intended translation
    technique to be used when membership in this class is unknown (as
    it will often be, presumably)?

    Thank you for pointing out this.
    The approach for RDF/TM interoperability is twofold.
    one hand we have unguided translation, on the other hand we have
    guided translation.
    This preliminary draft is about "guided" translation. In fact it is
    based on the rdftm: vocabulary which is used for explicitly express
    how the translation has to be performed.
    We chose first to deal with guided translation.
    This is why we assume to have such information available to those rules.
    Probably, this is not clear by the current version, I'll try to do it
    soon.

    A related point, the document gives as an RDFTM 'rule',

    "If the resource is not an instance of rdftm:InformationResource,
    the resource becomes a subject locator"

    How is it possible to determine in RDFS that a resource is NT an
    instance of a class? Such information can be expressed in WL, but
    not in RDFS. It is not valid to infer non-membership in a class
    from a failure to prove membership in that class. The translation
    rule as stated seems therefore to be inapplicable to RDFS-to-TM
    translation, or ill-defined, or possibly both.

    I agree with you. Do you think it might be better to say:
    "If the resource is not explicitly an instance of
    rdftm:InformationResource" pointing out that we are referring to
    the guidance.
    To declare that a resource is an instance of
    rdftm:InformationResource is a way to say how to handle the URI of
    that resource in Topic Maps. Not to do it give a the same information
    leading to a different result.

    I will send other comments later when I have had time to study the
    document more carefully, but these points seem central and require
    immediate attention.

    Thank you very much for your help.

    Valentina

    Valentina Presutti

    Phd Student of Computer Science
    Department of Computer Science
    University of Bologna
    Mura anteo Zamboni 7
    Ph. +39 (0)51 20 94871
    Fax. +39 (0)51 20 94510
    home page: http://www.cs.unibo.it/~presutti

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