Since upgrading to 10.1 I have found applying security updates has become
an extremely hit-and-miss process which takes much longer than it did
under SuSE 9.3. I would be very grateful if someone could answer two
questions:
(1) What is the simplest way of applying security updates from the
command-line? Something equivalent to
online_update security
(2) How do you configure it to use a local mirror instead of the far-off
Austrian mirror that the Setup process likes to configure?
I have looked at the rug man page and frankly don't understand it (the
only bit I do understand turns out to be a lie: it says the only command
you need is 'rug update'). I'm not interested in catalogues and services
etc, I just want to install security updates.
Regards,
Bob Vickers
Bob Vickers
Dept of Computer Science, Royal Holloway, University of London

Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:55:09AM +0100, Bob Vickers wrote:
Since upgrading to 10.1 I have found applying security updates has become
an extremely hit-and-miss process which takes much longer than it did
under SuSE 9.3. I would be very grateful if someone could answer two
questions:

(1) What is the simplest way of applying security updates from the
command-line? Something equivalent to
online_update security

rug

(2) How do you configure it to use a local mirror instead of the far-off
Austrian mirror that the Setup process likes to configure?

YAST Installation Source dialog.

Change the remote source to your local mirror / directory.

I have looked at the rug man page and frankly don't understand it (the
only bit I do understand turns out to be a lie: it says the only command
you need is 'rug update'). I'm not interested in catalogues and services
etc, I just want to install security updates.

If everything is set up

rug update

will do exactly that.

CIao, Marcus

Bob Vickers wrote:
Since upgrading to 10.1 I have found applying security updates has become
an extremely hit-and-miss process which takes much longer than it did
under SuSE 9.3. I would be very grateful if someone could answer two
questions:

(1) What is the simplest way of applying security updates from the
command-line? Something equivalent to
online_update security

(2) How do you configure it to use a local mirror instead of the far-off
Austrian mirror that the Setup process likes to configure?

I have looked at the rug man page and frankly don't understand it (the
only bit I do understand turns out to be a lie: it says the only command
you need is 'rug update'). I'm not interested in catalogues and services
etc, I just want to install security updates.

There is a beta version of fou4s for 10.1 at http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/

The entire zen/rug thing still has yet to even provide the functionality
of the previous update system (no delta rpms, for instance) and takes
far more resources.

fou4s is a rather large shell script that manages updates via the
command line and is designed to easily be put into a cron job to check
and download updates, then install them at your command. (or even
install them from cron, if you prefer) It's kinda sad when a shell
script is a better system than zen/rug. Can you believe Novell actually
charges people for the zen suite?

Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:00:55AM -0400, suse (AT) rio (DOT) vg wrote:
Bob Vickers wrote:
Since upgrading to 10.1 I have found applying security updates has become
an extremely hit-and-miss process which takes much longer than it did
under SuSE 9.3. I would be very grateful if someone could answer two
questions:

(1) What is the simplest way of applying security updates from the
command-line? Something equivalent to
online_update security

(2) How do you configure it to use a local mirror instead of the far-off
Austrian mirror that the Setup process likes to configure?

I have looked at the rug man page and frankly don't understand it (the
only bit I do understand turns out to be a lie: it says the only command
you need is 'rug update'). I'm not interested in catalogues and services
etc, I just want to install security updates.

There is a beta version of fou4s for 10.1 at http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/

The entire zen/rug thing still has yet to even provide the functionality
of the previous update system (no delta rpms, for instance) and takes
far more resources.

fou4s is a rather large shell script that manages updates via the
command line and is designed to easily be put into a cron job to check
and download updates, then install them at your command. (or even
install them from cron, if you prefer) It's kinda sad when a shell
script is a better system than zen/rug. Can you believe Novell actually
charges people for the zen suite?

The ZEN updater on the distro comes with the distro and is free.

Ciao, Marcus

7/25/06, suse (AT) rio (DOT) vg <suse (AT) rio (DOT) vgwrote:
There is a beta version of fou4s for 10.1 at http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/

The entire zen/rug thing still has yet to even provide the functionality
of the previous update system (no delta rpms, for instance) and takes
far more resources.

YaST also complained that it can't add the non-oss and similar SuSE
installation sources to ZEN.

fou4s is a rather large shell script that manages updates via the
command line and is designed to easily be put into a cron job to check
and download updates, then install them at your command. (or even
install them from cron, if you prefer) It's kinda sad when a shell
script is a better system than zen/rug.

The YaST from a DVD failed to update for me at all (last week.)

So, I got the fou4s beta, and had to run it about three times to get
everything to update (on the first run it updated rpm. It also had to
update yast and the kernel, it I recall correctly - so it was a fairly
fundamental update.) However, after that everything was working
correctly.

Folks:

I have given up on YU mirror selection
in 10.1 and have begun mirroring
"/update/10.1" locally.

1) YU no longer provides any control (that I can find)
for user selection of the remote mirror in the setup or
configuration menus.

2) After a fresh default install on both AMD64 and x86 systems,
YU fails and reports that no updates are available after
configuring with a valid mirror site.

3) Update attempts with command line tools and
with ZEN all fail with complaints about dependency errors.
The errors cite dependency faults for "zmd-restart" that
block all updates.

Network and DNS operate correctly during the failures.

After I add the local network address of my mirror
to "Installation Sources" it takes 3 cycles with
YU to get a full set of patches applied.

This is not what I expected from 10.1 and SuSE.

Yours,

Charles Brooks

/ceb\

Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:51:19PM -0400, SuSE eMail Collector wrote:
Folks:

I have given up on YU mirror selection
in 10.1 and have begun mirroring
"/update/10.1" locally.

1) YU no longer provides any control (that I can find)
for user selection of the remote mirror in the setup or
configuration menus.

You can change it in the YAST Installation Source dialog.

2) After a fresh default install on both AMD64 and x86 systems,
YU fails and reports that no updates are available after
configuring with a valid mirror site.

What sources did you add exactly?

3) Update attempts with command line tools and
with ZEN all fail with complaints about dependency errors.
The errors cite dependency faults for "zmd-restart" that
block all updates.

This means that at the least the libzypp patch is visible
to your update stack

Network and DNS operate correctly during the failures.

After I add the local network address of my mirror
to "Installation Sources" it takes 3 cycles with
YU to get a full set of patches applied.

This is correct and expected.

This is not what I expected from 10.1 and SuSE.

It will work better after this 3 cycle update stack update.

Ciao, Marcus