I'm working on the new icons set for tomorrow (sorry, to much work to be
ready sooner) and I'm using ubuntu with Koffice 1.6beta1.
I notice that some toolbar icons are located here:
those are icons shared between krita and kde. We should _not_ overwrite them.

Sunday 17 September 2006 21:26, krita (AT) ronanzeegers (DOT) com wrote:
I'm working on the new icons set for tomorrow (sorry, to much work to be
ready sooner) and I'm using ubuntu with Koffice 1.6beta1.

I notice that some toolbar icons are located here:

and some others here:
usr/share/apps/krita/pics/

An other strange thing is the location of the tool icons:
/usr/share/apps/krita/images
--
Can't we have all krita's icons stored in the same place and in a more
logical way?
something like that: usr/share/apps/krita/icons/

All icons that are specific for krita should go in the same directory -- the
crystalsvg icons are just the icons we borrowed because we weren't good
enough to do our own. So, /usr/share/apps/krita (which is the install dir),
and then /pics or /icons or /images would be okay: with icons being the most
logical and pics the most traditional.

But all the icons you create will be placed in the same place. And Thanks
for all the work!

But all the icons you create will be placed in the same place. And Thanks
for all the work!

Hi,

First of all, thanks for your work! I've been absent during the weekend for a
tournament in Darmstadt, Germany, so I couldn't join the discussion earlier.

An other issue: the Transform tool and the Perspective Transform tool
share the
same icon (/)

Not anymore. See the description in

(not the full toolbar screenshot, but the tool descriptions below it)

I want to do more work on the Templates icons (RGB, Greyscale,) and on the
Layer icons (adjustement layer, group,). Do I still have the time to change
something for today night?

Time to download and give me your feedback:

They look great! The two perspective icons are too confusing in my opinion
though. The tool_perspectivetransform.png looks like a Perspective Grid icon,
and the tool_perspectivegrid.png (the cube) is something that doesn't mean
much to me (too little connotation with grids).
I'd like to suggest using the tool_perspectivetransform.png for Perspective
Grid, and then find something for the Perspective Transform. Perhaps something
like now, a distorted Transform icon?

Cheers,

H,
Some random comments:
- the perspective transform tool and the transform tool should have a similar
representation, like the curent icons.
- I don't see how a cube represent the perspective grid ? (actually the icon
you propose for the perspective transform tool would be better suited for it)
- I don't think the icon for the "paint with filter" represents effects or
filters at all

Monday 18 September 2006 09:32, Cyrille Berger wrote:
H,
Some random comments:
- the perspective transform tool and the transform tool should have a
similar representation, like the curent icons.
- I don't see how a cube represent the perspective grid ? (actually the
icon you propose for the perspective transform tool would be better suited
for it) - I don't think the icon for the "paint with filter" represents
effects or filters at all

I think we should use these icons now, and treat these problems as bugs, i.e,
fix them before beta1.

I think we should use these icons now, and treat these problems as bugs,
i.e, fix them before beta1.
tomorrow is rc1 which means that we can't really change them latter, plus
each time we change icons documentation screenshots need to be updated, but I
think I can apply them, and create the perspective transform myself from the
transform icon, and we will see for the filter icon later, anyway some people
allready had trouble with our current icon.

Monday 18 September 2006 16:13, Cyrille Berger wrote:
I think we should use these icons now, and treat these problems as bugs,
i.e, fix them before beta1.

tomorrow is rc1 which means that we can't really change them latter,
plus each time we change icons documentation screenshots need to be
updated, but I think I can apply them, and create the perspective transform
myself from the transform icon, and we will see for the filter icon later,
anyway some people allready had trouble with our current icon.

-- that's fine with me & would be excellent. Having such nice toolbox
icons is pretty important.

Boudewijn Rempt wrote on 2006-09-18 16:59 +0200 regarding Re: New Icons:
Monday 18 September 2006 16:13, Cyrille Berger wrote:
I think we should use these icons now, and treat these problems as bugs,
i.e, fix them before beta1.

tomorrow is rc1 which means that we can't really change them latter,
plus each time we change icons documentation screenshots need to be
updated, but I think I can apply them, and create the perspective transform
myself from the transform icon, and we will see for the filter icon later,
anyway some people allready had trouble with our current icon.
-- that's fine with me & would be excellent. Having such nice toolbox
icons is pretty important.

I totally agree!

krita (AT) ronanzeegers (DOT) com wrote on 2006-09-18 17:06 +0200 regarding Re: New Icons:
>I think we should use these icons now, and treat these problems as bugs,
>i.e, fix them before beta1.
tomorrow is rc1 which means that we can't really change them latter, plus
each time we change icons documentation screenshots need to be updated, but I
think I can apply them, and create the perspective transform myself from the
transform icon, and we will see for the filter icon later, anyway some people
allready had trouble with our current icon.

Filtre of effect is a very abstract notion! Hard to put in image
My proposition was a tool use to spread out charcoal (but most artists
use their
finger).
I can make something else: the nasty finger (like the gimp one), a sponge or a
simple FX in a cicle (like the one I have done in this concept art, Layers
section:
)
What do you think?

About the perspective stuff, the tool don't work at all on my computer (fresh
ubuntu 6.06 with 1.6beta1). The Perspective Transform Tool make my layer goes
black
It's a bit more difficult to do icons if I can't play with the tool.

It worked for me - as a matter of fact, I wrote the documentation after playing
with it. Basically, the Perspective Transform tool allows you to designate four
corners and stretch the area comprised by the convex polygon described by those
corners, to become the new rectangular image.

The icon as it is now, is a clone of the normal Transform icon but with a
distorted destination polygon instead of a nice rectangle.

Hope this helps

Cheers!

Basically, the Perspective Transform tool allows you to
designate four corners and stretch the area comprised by the convex polygon
described by those corners, to become the new rectangular image.
not in the beta :) the drawing of rectangle was made after tagging, but it
shouldn't transform to a black layer either, except because of the bug with
selection.

I can make something else: the nasty finger (like the gimp one), a sponge
or a simple FX in a cicle (like the one I have done in this concept art,
Layers section:
)
What do you think?

it's not equivalent to the finger of the gimp, it's closer to the water drop
of the gimp, but with more power as you can do more than blur.

I made others icons for the difficult filter/effect tool:
Can you tell me which one do you like most?
And I'm ready to listen to others propositions
I vote for f or a

Boudewijn Rempt wrote on 2006-09-19 08:58 +0200 regarding Re: Filter/effect icon:
Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Cyrille Berger wrote:

I made others icons for the difficult filter/effect tool:

Can you tell me which one do you like most?
And I'm ready to listen to others propositions

I vote for f or a

Me, too, with a small preference for a.

A, please! :)

Tuesday 19 September 2006 09:03, Sander Koning wrote:
Boudewijn Rempt wrote on 2006-09-19 08:58 +0200 regarding Re: Filter/effect
icon:
Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Cyrille Berger wrote:
I made others icons for the difficult filter/effect tool:

Can you tell me which one do you like most?
And I'm ready to listen to others propositions

I vote for f or a

Me, too, with a small preference for a.

A, please! :)

Seems to me we're agreed :-).

Monday 18 September 2006 05:18, krita (AT) ronanzeegers (DOT) com wrote:
By the way -- have you also got the .svg source for these icons, or did you
directly work with pixels?

Tuesday 19 September 2006 11:14, you wrote:
Tuesday, 19. September 2006 10:56, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
Monday 18 September 2006 05:18, krita (AT) ronanzeegers (DOT) com wrote:

By the way -- have you also got the .svg source for these icons, or did
you directly work with pixels?

Looks like pixels to me, but that shouldn't be too hard to recreate.
Actually for the small icon sizes icons have to be delivered as pixmaps
anyways.

Ah, okay -- I thought we needed svg for every icon, but for a toolbox,
handcrafted pixels make more sense.

Torsten Rahn wrote on 2006-09-19 09:44 +0200 regarding Re: Filter/effect icon:
Looking at all the options above I vote for g and think that f would fit well,
too. Both are will most likely not be mixed up with something else.
The others have an excellent finish but could easily mixed up with different
tools.

Side track:

Hmm, it's always good to hear other views - different people have different
ideas about metaphors!

I, for example, don't associate 'f' with filters at all: the
"hat->magician->magic->effects->filter" chain doesn't work for me. And while you
relate 'a' to RGB composition, it's the most clear one to me, probably because I
know the idea behind the old red icon and have worked with camera lens filters
in the past.

Finding the optimal icon based on connotations is an enormous task - there's
always someone who has other ideas.

Cheers,

Tuesday 19 September 2006 12:31, Torsten Rahn wrote:
Tuesday, 19. September 2006 12:06, Sander Koning wrote:
I, for example, don't associate 'f' with filters at all: the

Well in this case it's "fx" and not "f". And I believe that "fx" is
internationally understood as an abbreviation for "Effects".

That's true -- probably even in locales with non-latin alphabets.

Tuesday 19 September 2006 13:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
Tuesday 19 September 2006 12:31, Torsten Rahn wrote:
Tuesday, 19. September 2006 12:06, Sander Koning wrote:
I, for example, don't associate 'f' with filters at all: the

Well in this case it's "fx" and not "f". And I believe that "fx" is
internationally understood as an abbreviation for "Effects".

That's true -- probably even in locales with non-latin alphabets.
no it's not true

I only discovered it a couple of years ago - a lots of people will not know
it

That doesn't mean they can't learn, but that argument goes for the hat too

thing is for sure - the sponge is out of the question as we will probably
have a true sponge at some point in time

but even though fx has that problem i still like it better than "a". I like
the hat the most though.

Tuesday 19 September 2006 12:31, Torsten Rahn wrote:
RGB spot lights or filters are arranged.
and we are trying to represent filters :D