I've noticed that when I change the KDE theme/colors the default
background-color of Konqueror (khtml part) changes (to grey i.e.)
too.
I think that that this is a bad choice because a lot web sites don't
define the background-color but it's expected that is white.
The result is that these sites are displayed with different background
color than the one their designer had in mind.
I just wanted to know what is your point of view before I file a bug report.
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Hello,

| I've noticed that when I change the KDE theme/colors the default
| background-color of Konqueror (khtml part) changes (to grey i.e.)
| too.
| I think that that this is a bad choice because a lot web sites don't
| define the background-color but it's expected that is white.
| The result is that these sites are displayed with different
| background color than the one their designer had in mind.

Although I don't use Konqueror, I experience the same problem
with the browser I use, so I understand your point.

I think the way to go is that Konqueror should have its own
color theme handling *and* there should be an option of
"Use the System Colors" within Konqueror's color theme handler.

Also, it would be nice if there are the "author mode" and the "user
mode": In the author mode, the browser obeys the specifications such
as fonts and colors of the author of the webpage; in the user mode,
the browser ignores the author's specifications and uses its own color
and font schemes.

In fact, the browser I use, which is , has this feature.
Usually, I use the system color scheme of KDE in the browser,
which uses white text on a dark gray background. When a page doesn't
show well in the user mode, I switch to the author mode, then,
voila, the page shows as the author intended. The only remaining
problem is those pages which aren't many but which partially
specify colors. The worst ones are those which don't show
well in the user model and which specify the text to be black
without specifying the background color; they show as black
on dark gray in the author mode because my default background
color is dark gray.

Ryo

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I agree that the problem is a web design fault.
though, it's a reality that a lot of web-develepers use Firefox, IE to
test their sites so they take for granted that the background color is
white even if they haven't define it.
So it's about what our priorities are: applying striclty the W3C
recommendations or "usable" rendering of web pages?
6/1/06, Walter Weber-G <wwg (AT) arco (DOT) in-berlin.dewrote:
Hallo Yanis Kekatos,

I've noticed that when I change the KDE theme/colors the default
background-color of Konqueror (khtml part) changes (to grey i.e.)
too.
I think that that this is a bad choice because a lot web sites don't
define the background-color but it's expected that is white.
That's the point: A lot of web designers don't define the background color -
but they should. The w3c recommends to define both foreground and background
color - such simple.

The result is that these sites are displayed with different background
color than the one their designer had in mind.
If the designer would have had a color in mind he would have defined this
color.

I just wanted to know what is your point of view before I file a bug
report.
From my point of view, it's not a bug in Konqueror but in web design.
So it should be fixed there.

Regards, and thank you for mentioning this important and so easy to solve
topic!

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03/06/2006, at 4:16 AM, Yanis Kekatos wrote:

I agree that the problem is a web design fault.
though, it's a reality that a lot of web-develepers use Firefox, IE to
test their sites so they take for granted that the background color is
white even if they haven't define it.
So it's about what our priorities are:

Your question is really to BLAT or not to BLAT.

If you fill a bucket with wine it'll smell like wine, if you fill it
with something else it will smell like something else. Does that mean
we should redesign the bucket? Better that the user has a standards
conformant browser that we can control to suit our wants than to have a
browser that has an extra 3MB of code which handles kiddy-coding
mistakes.

Write a style sheet for yourself and call it when you need it. If you
write a hack to manage sub-standard code you've got plenty to do -
there's the whole internet out there just full of it.

malcolm

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Hi all,

| I agree that the problem is a web design fault.
| though, it's a reality that a lot of web-develepers use Firefox,
| IE to test their sites so they take for granted that the
| background color is white even if they haven't define it.
| So it's about what our priorities are:
|
| Your question is really to BLAT or not to BLAT.
|
| If you fill a bucket with wine it'll smell like wine, if you fill it
| with something else it will smell like something else. Does that mean
| we should redesign the bucket?

I think we all agree that it's those webpages, not Konqueror, which
are broken. No question about that. I also understand your
sentiment: It is those webpages which are broken. Why should we "fix"
Konqueror, which isn't broken.

But, let's consider this. I also have a similar sentiment towards
theives. I hate to carry keys to my apartment. (I may lose them,
I may be locked out, leaving the keys inside, etc.) I want to leave
my door always open. It'd be much more convenient. Still, I would
say that a house with locks is a better house than one without locks,
because we don't know how to get rid of theives.

Similarly, I think Konqueror will be a better piece of software
if it can handle those broken pages gracefully, because we
don't know how to force the designers of those pages to fix them.

| Your question is really to BLAT or not to BLAT.
|
I agree that this is a relevent question. And I think
a feature to handle page colors gracefully even when
the page is broken is worth a little bit of code-bloat,
just as I think the "lock"-bloat of a house is worth it. :-)

course, since I'm not a developer of Konqueror, I don't
know exactly how much efforts are required to achieve that,
so my comment on the "little bit of code-bloat" could be wrong.
Since you recommended a custom style-sheet solution, however,
I just guessed that if that's an easy solution, the required
modification to Konqueror wouldn't be much, either.

Cheers,
Ryo

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06/06/2006, at 1:41 PM, Ryo Furue wrote:
Since you recommended a custom style-sheet solution, however,
I just guessed that if that's an easy solution, the required
modification to Konqueror wouldn't be much, either.

There is a big difference. With the style sheet, you take
responsibility for configuring your computer and making it behave the
way you want it to behave. With the BLAT option, everyone in the world
has to download software which is being bloated which hacks which are
trying to second-guess the many and varied aspects of web pages which
are incorrectly or inadequately coded.

malcolm

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I agree that the custom style-sheet solution is the best solution.
Though I use a CSS to define the backround-color to white but for a
strange reason it doesn't work right with all the websites
6/6/06, Never you mind <scrpt (AT) catholic (DOT) orgwrote:

06/06/2006, at 1:41 PM, Ryo Furue wrote:
Since you recommended a custom style-sheet solution, however,
I just guessed that if that's an easy solution, the required
modification to Konqueror wouldn't be much, either.

There is a big difference. With the style sheet, you take
responsibility for configuring your computer and making it behave the
way you want it to behave. With the BLAT option, everyone in the world
has to download software which is being bloated which hacks which are
trying to second-guess the many and varied aspects of web pages which
are incorrectly or inadequately coded.

malcolm

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