John wrote:
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines from
#app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?

Try the config editor:

ToolsAdvanced

Click the Config Editor button.

Filter for abbreviate.

Find mail.server.default.abbreviate

Right click and toggle it to false.

Lee

John wrote:
"gwtc" <TheNewGWTC@wrote in message
news:VbqdnaALj96fNlveRVn-qA (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
>John wrote:
>>
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines from
#app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?

>you have to close TB, then make the changes and then open TB. Did you do
>that?

Yes.

Leonidas Jones wrote:
John wrote:
>"gwtc" <TheNewGWTC@wrote in
>message news:VbqdnaALj96fNlveRVn-qA (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
John wrote:
Darn, l I really wish this server honored cancel requests.
Lee

John wrote:
Leonidas Jones wrote:
>John wrote:
>
/snip/
That did the trick, thanks.
Great, I'm glad it worked.
Lee

mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
>John wrote:
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines from
#app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?
>>
>Try the config editor:
>>
>ToolsAdvanced
>>
>Click the Config Editor button.
>>
>Filter for abbreviate.
>>
>Find mail.server.default.abbreviate
>>
>Right click and toggle it to false.
>>
>Lee

No matter what you do, TB still abbreviates names longer than the width of
the display pane.

Grab the border of the right pane, and drag it to the left.

No program can display things for which it is not given room.

Lee

mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
>mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:

/snip/

If there were a horizontal scroll bar then there'd be no need to resize the
window. E does this very well. I wish TB would include this feature.

Note bene, I did not refer to a horizontal scroll bar. Just hover your
cursor over the edge of the dividing border between the left pane and
the right panes. When the cursor changes shape, click to grab the border
and drag it to the right. Drag it far enough, and the abbreviated group
names will come into view.

Lee

mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:0NidnScHIdtkK1TeRVn-ow (AT) mozilla (DOT) org

>>mad NAT'er wrote:
>>
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org

mad NAT'er wrote:

"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org

John wrote:

/snip/

Yes. Making the window larger will allow reading the lengthy group names.
I'm aware that you didn't mention a horizontal scroll bar. I brought it up.
I'm hoping that this will be a feature which will be included in a future
version of TB. More than a feature. I consider it a current omission.

Then again, abbreviated is the default setting, so one could argue that
the scrollbar is not needed.

Personally, I hate the abbreviations, so I don't mean to argue. With a
large screen res, I would rather drag the divider, and avoid the
inconvenience of the horizontal scroll. However, with a lower screen
res, your point is well taken.

Lee

mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
>mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines from
#app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?
Try the config editor:

ToolsAdvanced

Click the Config Editor button.

Filter for abbreviate.

Find mail.server.default.abbreviate

Right click and toggle it to false.

Lee
No matter what you do, TB still abbreviates names longer than the width
of the display pane.
>Grab the border of the right pane, and drag it to the left.
>>
>No program can display things for which it is not given room.

If there were a horizontal scroll bar then there'd be no need to resize the
window. E does this very well. I wish TB would include this feature.

The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is that
the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be within
view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
full newsgroup name.

I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
standard UI convention that many products get right.

"Jeff Beal" <jbbeal (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote in message
@mozilla.org
mad NAT'er wrote:
>"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
>news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines
from #app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?
Try the config editor:

ToolsAdvanced

Click the Config Editor button.

Filter for abbreviate.

Find mail.server.default.abbreviate

Right click and toggle it to false.

Lee
No matter what you do, TB still abbreviates names longer than the width
of the display pane.
Grab the border of the right pane, and drag it to the left.

No program can display things for which it is not given room.
>>
>If there were a horizontal scroll bar then there'd be no need to resize
>the window. E does this very well. I wish TB would include this
>feature.
>
The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is that
the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be within
view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
full newsgroup name.

I disagree. I think that a horizontal scroll offers advantages (over either
adjusting the window size or hovering the mouse over the abbreviated name).
There's no need to "constantly scroll" to see a group name. And there would
certainly be less need to re-scroll than there would to hover the mouse over
each abbreviated name. For the most part, you'd set the horizontal scroll
where you need it and leave it there. E has the horizontal scroll feature
and I find it quite useful. I wonder why it was omitted in TB in favor of
abbreviations?

I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
standard UI convention that many products get right.

Jeff Beal wrote:
mad NAT'er wrote:
>"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
>news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:

/snip/

The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is that
the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be within
view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
full newsgroup name.

I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
standard UI convention that many products get right.

The funny thing is, if you set the abbreviate pref to false, and leave
the divider so it auto abbreviates, a tooltip does appear with the full
name. If you leave abbreviate set to true, there is no tooltip.

Lee

16.01.2006 22:14, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Message

Jeff Beal wrote:
>mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:

/snip/

>The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is that
>the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be within
>view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
>'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
>newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
>full newsgroup name.
>
>I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
>should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
>standard UI convention that many products get right.
>

The funny thing is, if you set the abbreviate pref to false, and leave
the divider so it auto abbreviates, a tooltip does appear with the full
name. If you leave abbreviate set to true, there is no tooltip.

Lee

IMH, why would a user need to constantly scroll to the right to see the
names of the newsgroups that are so often used? Subscribe, set and
forget. I know what my newsgroups are without having to have a
horizontal scrollbar.

My biggest gripe is that "Pretty Names" ended with the demise of the
Communicator series.

Jay Garcia wrote:
16.01.2006 22:14, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Message

>Jeff Beal wrote:
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:
>/snip/
>>

/snip/

IMH, why would a user need to constantly scroll to the right to see the
names of the newsgroups that are so often used? Subscribe, set and
forget. I know what my newsgroups are without having to have a
horizontal scrollbar.

My biggest gripe is that "Pretty Names" ended with the demise of the
Communicator series.

Indeed, that would solve the whole issue.

Lee

mad NAT'er wrote:
"Jeff Beal" <jbbeal (AT) gmail (DOT) comwrote in message
@mozilla.org
>mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:
Created a user.js file in C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\kz1mdweo.default and added the lines
from #app_expandnames.

The groups are still abbreviated, has it changed since v1.5 came out?
Try the config editor:

ToolsAdvanced

Click the Config Editor button.

Filter for abbreviate.

Find mail.server.default.abbreviate

Right click and toggle it to false.

Lee
No matter what you do, TB still abbreviates names longer than the width
of the display pane.
Grab the border of the right pane, and drag it to the left.

No program can display things for which it is not given room.
If there were a horizontal scroll bar then there'd be no need to resize
the window. E does this very well. I wish TB would include this
feature.
>The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is that
>the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be within
>view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
>'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
>newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
>full newsgroup name.

I disagree. I think that a horizontal scroll offers advantages (over either
adjusting the window size or hovering the mouse over the abbreviated name).
There's no need to "constantly scroll" to see a group name. And there would
certainly be less need to re-scroll than there would to hover the mouse over
each abbreviated name. For the most part, you'd set the horizontal scroll
where you need it and leave it there. E has the horizontal scroll feature
and I find it quite useful. I wonder why it was omitted in TB in favor of
abbreviations?

>I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
>should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
>standard UI convention that many products get right.
>>
>--
>Jeff Beal

And the fact that we disagree was pretty much my point, I guess.
Personally, I dislike horizontal scrollbars in general, but they also
are a "pretty standard UI convention that many products get right".
Both options have advantages.

Leonidas Jones wrote:
Jeff Beal wrote:
>mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
news:-ZadnUxgsNrgA1XeRVn-pQ (AT) mozilla (DOT) org
mad NAT'er wrote:
"Leonidas Jones" <Cap1MD (AT) att (DOT) netwrote in message
@mozilla.org
John wrote:

/snip/

>The benefit of the abbreviations over the horizontal scroll bar is
>that the most significant portion of the newsgroup name tends to be
>within view. I'd much rather learn that 'n.p.m.' expands to
>'netscape.public.mozilla' than either constantly scroll to see which
>newsgroup I'm looking at or have my folder pane wide enough to fit the
>full newsgroup name.
>>
>I do think, however, that hovering your mouse over the newsgroup name
>should show the full newsgroup name in a tooltip. That's a pretty
>standard UI convention that many products get right.
>>

The funny thing is, if you set the abbreviate pref to false, and leave
the divider so it auto abbreviates, a tooltip does appear with the full
name. If you leave abbreviate set to true, there is no tooltip.

Lee

I thought I had seen those tooltips before in a Moz product. Thanks.