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I'm trying to figure out what IDE to use. Generally in a situation
like this the answer is that it depends on what you want, so here's
what I want:
1. Must work reasonably well. Extensible/tinkerable helps here,
although open source/free is not a requirement.
2. Must allow visual design of application interface. I haven't hand-
coded an interface in years, and I'm lazy. ;-)
3. Would like to be able to test/design/test, etc. In other words,
I'd like something more than a tool that creates a ton of code and
then hands me off to something else. I'd rather be able to test what
I've created, add some code, change the interface a bit, then test
again, all in the same environment.
4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.
So far I've looked at Boa Constructor, which seems to break item 1 --
I can't get it to run reliably. I've looked at wxDesigner, which
seems to come up short on item 3. PythonCard breaks item 4.
Is there an alternative I haven't listed here that would suit me
better? Is there something about one of these options that I'm missing?
thanks,
Geoff
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I use eclipse + wxDesigner

Tuesday 21 June 2005 03:18 pm, Geoff Canyon wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what IDE to use. Generally in a situation
like this the answer is that it depends on what you want, so here's
what I want:

1. Must work reasonably well. Extensible/tinkerable helps here,
although open source/free is not a requirement.
2. Must allow visual design of application interface. I haven't hand-
coded an interface in years, and I'm lazy. ;-)
3. Would like to be able to test/design/test, etc. In other words,
I'd like something more than a tool that creates a ton of code and
then hands me off to something else. I'd rather be able to test what
I've created, add some code, change the interface a bit, then test
again, all in the same environment.
4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.

So far I've looked at Boa Constructor, which seems to break item 1 --
I can't get it to run reliably. I've looked at wxDesigner, which
seems to come up short on item 3. PythonCard breaks item 4.

Is there an alternative I haven't listed here that would suit me
better? Is there something about one of these options that I'm missing?

thanks,

Geoff

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Hi,

i am currently porting a perl/ tk app I wrote 3 years ago to python.
There I used tk lab frames that give a relief border around some
items. You can give the fram a label which displays then inside the top
border of the frame. Example (Perl/TK) that paints 'ALL QUEUES' and corresponding screenshot:
$p6frame = $p6->LabFrame(-label=>'ALL QUEUES',-labelside=>'acrosstop',-borderwidth=>0, -relief=>'groove')->pack(-side=>'top',-fill=>'x',-padx=>'10');

is there an equivalent in wx.python?
I couldn't find one. Anybody help?

ThanX
No.3 | | 326 bytes | |
+ 1 to eclipse (pydev)

6/21/05, Philippe C. Martin <philippecmartin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) netwrote:
I use eclipse + wxDesigner

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Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:55:14 +0300, the_shelter <pdftex (AT) the-shelter (DOT) de>
wrote:

Hi,

i am currently porting a perl/ tk app I wrote 3 years ago to python.
There I used tk lab frames that give a relief border around some
items. You can give the fram a label which displays then inside the top
border of the frame. Example (Perl/TK) that paints 'ALL QUEUES' and
corresponding screenshot:
$p6frame = $p6->LabFrame(-label=>'ALL
QUEUES',-labelside=>'acrosstop',-borderwidth=>0,
-relief=>'groove')->pack(-side=>'top',-fill=>'x',-padx=>'10');

is there an equivalent in wx.python?
I couldn't find one. Anybody help?

ThanX

Take a look at
Demo->Core Windows/Controls->StaticBox
Might be what you're looking for ;)

Peter

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No.5 | | 1276 bytes | |
GC1. Must work reasonably well. Extensible/tinkerable helps here,
GCalthough open source/free is not a requirement.
GC2. Must allow visual design of application interface. I haven't hand-
GCcoded an interface in years, and I'm lazy. ;-)
GC3. Would like to be able to test/design/test, etc. In other words,
GCI'd like something more than a tool that creates a ton of code and
GCthen hands me off to something else. I'd rather be able to test what
GCI've created, add some code, change the interface a bit, then test
GCagain, all in the same environment.
GC4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.
GCSo far I've looked at Boa Constructor, which seems to break item 1 --
GCI can't get it to run reliably. I've looked at wxDesigner, which
GCseems to come up short on item 3. PythonCard breaks item 4.
GCIs there an alternative I haven't listed here that would suit me
GCbetter? Is there something about one of these options that I'm missing?

GVim(code editing) +
XRCed(visual interface design) +
pythonwin32(for testing code snippets)

Works well for me.

intellisense is missing (this is a top wish in vim wish list though)
No.6 | | 1502 bytes | |
Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:18:40 -0700, Geoff Canyon
<gcanyon (AT) inspiredlogic (DOT) comwrote:

>I'm trying to figure out what IDE to use. Generally in a situation
>like this the answer is that it depends on what you want, so here's
>what I want:
>
>1. Must work reasonably well. Extensible/tinkerable helps here,
>although open source/free is not a requirement.

Hello Geoff,

DrPython: extensible via Plugins and Scripts.

>2. Must allow visual design of application interface. I haven't hand-
>coded an interface in years, and I'm lazy. ;-)

wxGlade looks nice.

>3. Would like to be able to test/design/test, etc. In other words,
>I'd like something more than a tool that creates a ton of code and
>then hands me off to something else. I'd rather be able to test what
>I've created, add some code, change the interface a bit, then test
>again, all in the same environment.

Again DrPython (Program =Run).
For testing Code snippets also PyCrust (you can watch/look at the
namespace also)

>4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.
>

This I don't understand ;)
Do you mean, fragmenting/disturbing the code to much with
the gui code?

>[]
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Just a 'me too' for DrPython :-)
The forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger and
improved Find features.
Cheers,
Davy
No.8 | | 367 bytes | |
DMThe forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's interesting.
Can it work with wxPython?
AFAIK wxPython conflicts with every existing python debugger.
i'm missing something?
My primary debugging tool is
'import logging' in all my apps.
I'm interesing in debugging "step by step".
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Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:21:45 +0600, Igor Prischepoff <igor (AT) tyumbit (DOT) ru>
wrote:

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>DMThe forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That's interesting.
>Can it work with wxPython?

Hello Igor,

Yes, DrPython is written in wxPython, that is the beautiful thing :)

>AFAIK wxPython conflicts with every existing python debugger.

With Boa, you can also debug wxPython programs.

i'm missing something?
>My primary debugging tool is
>'import logging' in all my apps.
>I'm interesing in debugging "step by step".

read more about this in "The Road to 4.0":
No.10 | | 1999 bytes | |
Hi Geoff,

Geoff Canyon wrote:

I'm trying to figure out what IDE to use. Generally in a situation
like this the answer is that it depends on what you want, so here's
what I want:

1. Must work reasonably well. Extensible/tinkerable helps here,
although open source/free is not a requirement.
2. Must allow visual design of application interface. I haven't hand-
coded an interface in years, and I'm lazy. ;-)
3. Would like to be able to test/design/test, etc. In other words,
I'd like something more than a tool that creates a ton of code and
then hands me off to something else. I'd rather be able to test what
I've created, add some code, change the interface a bit, then test
again, all in the same environment.
4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.

So far I've looked at Boa Constructor, which seems to break item 1 --
I can't get it to run reliably.

What are the problems, maybe they could be fixed ;-) . By the way did
you use the latest version 0.4.3 - unfortunately only available from CVS.

If you have a moment can you post them to:

or report it on the Boa Sourceforge help forum:

See you
Werner

I've looked at wxDesigner, which seems to come up short on item 3.
PythonCard breaks item 4.

Is there an alternative I haven't listed here that would suit me
better? Is there something about one of these options that I'm missing?

thanks,

Geoff

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I've used Boa on occasion to 'step by step' debug wxPython code.

Since DrPython is a leaner editor, it might be better suited for this task.

Being the emacs junky I am, C-c C-c is my preferred debugging method,
but every once in awhile interactive debugging is more useful.
-Joe

Igor Prischepoff wrote:

>DMThe forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That's interesting.
>Can it work with wxPython?
>AFAIK wxPython conflicts with every existing python debugger.
i'm missing something?
>My primary debugging tool is
>'import logging' in all my apps.
>I'm interesing in debugging "step by step".
>

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Hi Igor,

Igor Prischepoff wrote:

>DMThe forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That's interesting.
>Can it work with wxPython?
>AFAIK wxPython conflicts with every existing python debugger.

Have a look at Boa, I use it's debugger all the time to debug my
wxPython application.

See you
Werner

i'm missing something?
>My primary debugging tool is
>'import logging' in all my apps.
>I'm interesing in debugging "step by step".
>

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WFBHave a look at Boa, I use it's debugger all the time to debug my
WFBwxPython application.
Thanks to all, who responded!
Looks like i should check Boa.
Last time i've looked into it was year ago and it was unstable.
No.14 | | 1273 bytes | |
Jun 22, 2005, at 1:45 AM, Franz S wrote:

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>4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it
>isn't.
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This I don't understand ;)
Do you mean, fragmenting/disturbing the code to much with
the gui code?

I read some posts awhile back where people responsible for PythonCard
were talking about trying to implement HyperCard-style message
handling in Python. That's a route I'm not interested in. I _would_
like a (modern) HyperCard-style development environment -- live
editing, running, and debugging. The modern equivalent would be
Revolution (or SuperCard). If I could have something like the
Revolution IDE, only with wxPython, I'd be a happy camper.

For anyone who is familiar with Hyper/SuperCard and Revolution -- is
such a thing possible? Does/can Python support the concept of run/
edit/debug/edit the way HyperCard did and Revolution and SuperCard do?

thanks,

gc

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>4. Would like the IDE not to try to make Python into something it isn't.

>PythonCard breaks item 4.

Huh? I don't think PythonCard tries to make Python into something it
isn't at all. I suppose you could say that it tries to make wxPython
into something it isn't, but that's probably a good thing. wxPython
isn't a very "pythonic" toolkit, its roots in C++ show considerably.
-Chris
No.16 | | 506 bytes | |
Hello Igor,

Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 11:21:45 AM, you wrote:

DM>The forthcoming DrPython 4.0 will have a built-in debugger
IP^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IPThat's interesting.
IPCan it work with wxPython?
IPAFAIK wxPython conflicts with every existing python debugger.
IPi'm missing something?
IPMy primary debugging tool is
IP'import logging' in all my apps.
IPI'm interesing in debugging "step by step".

wing has a step-by step-like debugger

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