01Nov2006 19:53, Mike Burger <mburger (AT) bubbanfriends (DOT) orgwrote:
| Did anyone else receive a Zoomerang survey, regarding Red Hat vs. ?
I did.

01Nov2006 19:53, Mike Burger <mburger (AT) bubbanfriends (DOT) orgwrote:
| Did anyone else receive a Zoomerang survey, regarding Red Hat vs.
?

I did.

Now, the big question.

Did any of us opt in to any sort of list to request that we be pinged for
Zoomerang surveys? Especially since the survey invitation includes an
"opt out" link?

I certainly hope that Red Hat wouldn't stoop to simply giving out our
email addresses, whether because we're on their listservs or because we're
associated, in some way, as users of their products, without our express
permission.

I would also hope that they wouldn't stoop to sneakwrap type tactics,
wherein they would change their policies, regarding the use of our email
addresses, with no appropriate notice or prior request for permission.

Did any of us opt in to any sort of list to request that we be pinged for
Zoomerang surveys? Especially since the survey invitation includes an
"opt out" link?

I certainly hope that Red Hat wouldn't stoop to simply giving out our
email addresses, whether because we're on their listservs or because we're
associated, in some way, as users of their products, without our express
permission.

I would also hope that they wouldn't stoop to sneakwrap type tactics,
wherein they would change their policies, regarding the use of our email
addresses, with no appropriate notice or prior request for permission.

I don't think Red Hat did anything sneaky. I think our email addresses
were lifted from the mailing list archives by this third party. For the
record, I did not sign up for any surveys.

I have received surveys from Red Hat in the past, but they were clearly
from Red Hat, and in a different format. These messages were sent to the
appriopriate email address on my Red Hat customer account or my Red Hat
certification account. The email received yesterday was sent to my
mailing list account. I do not suspect that Red Hat had any participation
in this survey.

Redhat took the emails from the email used for their up2date service.

I know this because the survey I filled out had a orig_to of the contact
email for our satellite server and not my personal email.

Barry Brimer wrote:
>Did any of us opt in to any sort of list to request that we be pinged for
>Zoomerang surveys? Especially since the survey invitation includes an
>"opt out" link?
>>
>I certainly hope that Red Hat wouldn't stoop to simply giving out our
>email addresses, whether because we're on their listservs or because
>we're
>associated, in some way, as users of their products, without our express
>permission.
>>
>I would also hope that they wouldn't stoop to sneakwrap type tactics,
>wherein they would change their policies, regarding the use of our email
>addresses, with no appropriate notice or prior request for permission.

I don't think Red Hat did anything sneaky. I think our email addresses
were lifted from the mailing list archives by this third party. For the
record, I did not sign up for any surveys.

I have received surveys from Red Hat in the past, but they were clearly
from Red Hat, and in a different format. These messages were sent to
the appriopriate email address on my Red Hat customer account or my Red
Hat certification account. The email received yesterday was sent to my
mailing list account. I do not suspect that Red Hat had any
participation in this survey.

Quoting Harry Hoffman <hhoffman (AT) ip-solutions (DOT) net>:

Redhat took the emails from the email used for their up2date service.

I know this because the survey I filled out had a orig_to of the contact
email for our satellite server and not my personal email.

Barry Brimer wrote:
>Did any of us opt in to any sort of list to request that we be pinged for
>Zoomerang surveys? Especially since the survey invitation includes an
>"opt out" link?
>>
>I certainly hope that Red Hat wouldn't stoop to simply giving out our
>email addresses, whether because we're on their listservs or because
>we're
>associated, in some way, as users of their products, without our express
>permission.
>>
>I would also hope that they wouldn't stoop to sneakwrap type tactics,
>wherein they would change their policies, regarding the use of our email
>addresses, with no appropriate notice or prior request for permission.
>
I don't think Red Hat did anything sneaky. I think our email addresses
were lifted from the mailing list archives by this third party. For the
record, I did not sign up for any surveys.

I have received surveys from Red Hat in the past, but they were clearly
from Red Hat, and in a different format. These messages were sent to
the appriopriate email address on my Red Hat customer account or my Red
Hat certification account. The email received yesterday was sent to my
mailing list account. I do not suspect that Red Hat had any
participation in this survey.

In my case, the email address used was only that of the mailing list. I do not
have a satellite server, but the email address that is used for RHN
registration was not used.

huh, that's really odd. I guess that they are scraping both, which IMH
isn't a very nice thing todo. :-(

Barry Brimer wrote:
Quoting Harry Hoffman <hhoffman (AT) ip-solutions (DOT) net>:

>Redhat took the emails from the email used for their up2date service.
>>
>I know this because the survey I filled out had a orig_to of the contact
>email for our satellite server and not my personal email.
>>
>
>>
>Barry Brimer wrote:
Did any of us opt in to any sort of list to request that we be pinged for
Zoomerang surveys? Especially since the survey invitation includes an
"opt out" link?

I certainly hope that Red Hat wouldn't stoop to simply giving out our
email addresses, whether because we're on their listservs or because
we're
associated, in some way, as users of their products, without our express
permission.

I would also hope that they wouldn't stoop to sneakwrap type tactics,
wherein they would change their policies, regarding the use of our email
addresses, with no appropriate notice or prior request for permission.
I don't think Red Hat did anything sneaky. I think our email addresses
were lifted from the mailing list archives by this third party. For the
record, I did not sign up for any surveys.

I have received surveys from Red Hat in the past, but they were clearly
from Red Hat, and in a different format. These messages were sent to
the appriopriate email address on my Red Hat customer account or my Red
Hat certification account. The email received yesterday was sent to my
mailing list account. I do not suspect that Red Hat had any
participation in this survey.

In my case, the email address used was only that of the mailing list. I do not
have a satellite server, but the email address that is used for RHN
registration was not used.

02/11/06, Harry Hoffman wrote:
Redhat took the emails from the email used for their up2date service.

I know this because the survey I filled out had a orig_to of the contact
email for our satellite server and not my personal email.

Clearly not. They have mailed to one of my Fedora related addresses,
which has never been used for Red Hat Network before.

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