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How about a way to configure our own keyboard shortcuts?
How about a keyboard shortcut for managing e-mails and the like (like
to move an e-mail form the Inbox to a subfolder)?
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.1 | | 1355 bytes |
| 
I apologize - still getting used to gmailnot liking it much.
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From: Brian Loe <knobdy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
Date: Dec 30, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [kdepim-users] another option
To: Werner Joss <werner (AT) hoernerfranzracing (DOT) de>
12/30/05, Werner Joss <werner (AT) hoernerfranzracing (DOT) dewrote:
Am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2005 21:51 schrieb Brian Loe:
How about a way to configure our own keyboard shortcuts?
you can at least configure keyboard shortcuts for the editor (kate-) part.
Including send and all that? I'll have to check it out
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How about a keyboard shortcut for managing e-mails and the like (like
to move an e-mail form the Inbox to a subfolder)?
this can easily be done automatically by defining filters.
True enough, but the way I'm used to working is all of my personal
e-mail flows into my inbox. Lets say my wife send me an e-mail, it
comes into the inbox, I read it, reply to it and then move it to the
"wife" subfolder. Ctrl-Shft-V in did this well.
Besides, I can't expect to know what every piece of mail is before I
get it - though I'll know what subfolder I want it in once I've read
it.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.2 | | 497 bytes |
| Friday 30 Dec 2005 22:19, Brian Loe wrote:
Besides, I can't expect to know what every piece of mail is before I
get it - though I'll know what subfolder I want it in once I've read
it.
You mean that you don't know that the message is from your wife before
you read it? course there will be some that you want to move
manually, but you'll be surprised just how many of them can be moved by
filter, once you start thinking about it.
AnneNo.3 | | 904 bytes |
| 12/30/05, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
You mean that you don't know that the message is from your wife before
you read it? course there will be some that you want to move
manually, but you'll be surprised just how many of them can be moved by
filter, once you start thinking about it.
Anne
I get lots of e-mail from lots of people regularly. Not all of their
e-mails, even the wife's, go in "their" own subfolder. So are arranged
based on subject rather than who it's from, and the subject is rarely
going to be found in the subject field.
All of this is aside the point though, why not just add an option for
creating your own keyboard shortcuts in Kontact? Don't you ever move
an e-mail to your calendar? To notes?
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.4 | | 1452 bytes |
| Friday 30 Dec 2005 22:52, Brian Loe wrote:
12/30/05, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
You mean that you don't know that the message is from your wife
before you read it? course there will be some that you want to
move manually, but you'll be surprised just how many of them can be
moved by filter, once you start thinking about it.
Anne
I get lots of e-mail from lots of people regularly. Not all of their
e-mails, even the wife's, go in "their" own subfolder. So are
arranged based on subject rather than who it's from, and the subject
is rarely going to be found in the subject field.
All of this is aside the point though, why not just add an option for
creating your own keyboard shortcuts in Kontact? Don't you ever move
an e-mail to your calendar? To notes?
No, I don't. I use filtering heavily. If I want to move messages by
subject (and I do have a set of archive sub-folders) I find it no
problem to highlight a thread and drag it to the new folder.
It seems to me that you are asking the programmers to change the
application to suit your way of working, without making any effort
yourself to find out just what is available to you. I use kmail
because it is far and away the most configurable mail client. There's
not much you can't do, if you take the trouble to learn about it.
AnneNo.5 | | 1752 bytes |
| Friday 30 December 2005 18:52, Brian Loe wrote:
12/30/05, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
You mean that you don't know that the message is from your wife before
you read it? course there will be some that you want to move
manually, but you'll be surprised just how many of them can be moved by
filter, once you start thinking about it.
I get lots of e-mail from lots of people regularly. Not all of their
e-mails, even the wife's, go in "their" own subfolder. So are arranged
based on subject rather than who it's from, and the subject is rarely
going to be found in the subject field.
All of this is aside the point though, why not just add an option for
creating your own keyboard shortcuts in Kontact? Don't you ever move
an e-mail to your calendar? To notes?
We have such an option. It's an integral part of KDE and _every_ KDE app uses
the same interface to create shortcuts. You can even use the Control Center
to create shortcuts for badly behaved apps that haven't put the "Configure
shortcuts" option on a menu.
See the "Settings Menu", "Configure shortcuts". If you wanted a shortcut to
move a message to a particular folder, then you'd still need to write a
filter (manually applied, only) to do the actual move, but afaik there's no
simpler way to do it in
I'd have to agree with Anne, though, that a shortcut to move a selected
message to folder "X" is more trouble than it's worth when you can just drag
the message to the folder (and the reason I can't categorically say you can't
do this better in is that I only use drag & drop to do it in ,
too).No.6 | | 1109 bytes |
| Friday December 30, 2005 2:19 pm, Brian Loe wrote:
True enough, but the way I'm used to working is all of my personal
e-mail flows into my inbox. Lets say my wife send me an e-mail, it
comes into the inbox, I read it, reply to it and then move it to the
"wife" subfolder. Ctrl-Shft-V in did this well.
Besides, I can't expect to know what every piece of mail is before I
get it - though I'll know what subfolder I want it in once I've read
it.
It may work for you, but it seems a really complicated and inefficent way to
work. With a little bit of thought you could probably categorize 90 % of your
emailat least I can, and do. I simply don't have time to respond to low
priority messages during the day, but I also don't want to waste time
scrolling through hundreds of emails in the inbox.
You may not realize though, that you can move any message or group of messages
into a folder by rightclicking them and using the move to dialog.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.7 | | 2423 bytes |
| 1/1/06, Robert Smits <rsmits (AT) highspeedplus (DOT) comwrote:
Friday December 30, 2005 2:19 pm, Brian Loe wrote:
It may work for you, but it seems a really complicated and inefficent way to
work. With a little bit of thought you could probably categorize 90 % of your
emailat least I can, and do. I simply don't have time to respond to low
priority messages during the day, but I also don't want to waste time
scrolling through hundreds of emails in the inbox.
You may not realize though, that you can move any message or group of messages
into a folder by rightclicking them and using the move to dialog.
Do the people on this list get paid to produce replies that make the
original question/problem more complicated than it actually was - in
order tosound superiorperhaps?
What did I ask for that was so difficult to understand? I don't want
to move messages in BULK. I would LIKE to move A message to A folder
via A keyboard shortcut. IW (I'm spelling it out, and screen
captures can be made available if needed), I would like to hit
Ctrl-Shft-V with a message highlighted, which would bring up a window
listing available folders for that message for me to select one. After
selecting one I would click yes and the message would be moved to the
previously selected directory.
Now, what does this do for me? Well, all of my new e-mails that aren't
sent to a list or such (which I filter to place in a specific folder
when they're downloaded) are in my inbox until I act on them. The
inbox, then, becomes like a running todo list with each new e-mail
containing something to do before they can be marked as read and moved
to the appropriate subfolder.
This IS a pretty basic option, I would think, and perhaps as someone
suggested - obviously not fully understanding what they had been asked
- it can be done via KDE. I thought I had introduced myself as a
newbie but, then again, maybe that only marks me as a target for
insults and condescension rather than an elevated level of help.
, and yes I am aware of the context sensitive menu for getting to a
"move message" dialog box. What I was asking about was a keyboard
shortcut to do same, as I have now explained even further.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.8 | | 304 bytes |
| This thread can go ahead and die, as I hoped it would, but just for
newbies who, in the future, wonder if the keyboard shortcut they
enjoyed in can be found in Kontact - YES.
"m" with the message highlighted
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.9 | | 494 bytes |
| Monday 02 January 2006 13:53, Brian Loe wrote:
This thread can go ahead and die, as I hoped it would, but just for
newbies who, in the future, wonder if the keyboard shortcut they
enjoyed in can be found in Kontact - YES.
"m" with the message highlighted
K, so I told you _exactly_ how to make shortcuts, and you didn't even bother
to check until now?
, none of us knew that. I wouldn't do that in _or_ Kmail.
It's easier to drag the message.No.10 | | 953 bytes |
| 1/2/06, Derek Broughton <derek (AT) pointerstop (DOT) cawrote:
Monday 02 January 2006 13:53, Brian Loe wrote:
This thread can go ahead and die, as I hoped it would, but just for
newbies who, in the future, wonder if the keyboard shortcut they
enjoyed in can be found in Kontact - YES.
"m" with the message highlighted
K, so I told you _exactly_ how to make shortcuts, and you didn't even bother
to check until now?
, none of us knew that. I wouldn't do that in _or_ Kmail.
It's easier to drag the message.
Didn't read your message. My guess is the thread began with Anne's
e-mail and I didn't care to read all of the rest just skimmed them,
seeing that they were mostly explaining how to configure rules and
such. If YU got it, then you're heads and shoulders above the rest.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.11 | | 288 bytes |
| Monday 02 January 2006 12:22, Brian Loe wrote:
I would like to hit
Ctrl-Shft-V with a message highlighted, which would bring up a window
listing available folders for that message for me to select one.
- Select message
- Press 'm' key
- Be happy.
JdV!!No.12 | | 584 bytes |
| 1/2/06, Jan de Visser <jdevisser (AT) digitalfairway (DOT) comwrote:
Monday 02 January 2006 12:22, Brian Loe wrote:
I would like to hit
Ctrl-Shft-V with a message highlighted, which would bring up a window
listing available folders for that message for me to select one.
- Select message
- Press 'm' key
- Be happy.
JdV!!
LL - you kill me! So, how do you make sure you can select a directory
by typing the first letter of the directory name? :)
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.13 | | 1019 bytes |
| Monday 02 January 2006 20:29, Brian Loe wrote:
1/2/06, Jan de Visser <jdevisser (AT) digitalfairway (DOT) comwrote:
Monday 02 January 2006 12:22, Brian Loe wrote:
I would like to hit
Ctrl-Shft-V with a message highlighted, which would bring up a window
listing available folders for that message for me to select one.
- Select message
- Press 'm' key
- Be happy.
JdV!!
LL - you kill me! So, how do you make sure you can select a directory
by typing the first letter of the directory name? :)
I may be dense, but I don't follow? First of, as far as I understand your
question, the 'm' key does exactly that (haven't used in a *long*
time, so no idea how it compares). Secondly, yes, after pressing said 'm'
key, repeatedly pressing (e.g.) 'd' will cycle through all folders with names
starting with a 'd'. At least for me it does. But I'm probably
misunderstanding again.
JdV!!No.14 | | 839 bytes |
| Tuesday 03 Jan 2006 02:16, Jan de Visser wrote:LL - you kill me!
So, how do you make sure you can select a
directory by typing the first letter of the directory name? :)
I may be dense, but I don't follow? First of, as far as I understand
your question, the 'm' key does exactly that (haven't used in
a *long* time, so no idea how it compares). Secondly, yes, after
pressing said 'm' key, repeatedly pressing (e.g.) 'd' will cycle
through all folders with names starting with a 'd'. At least for me
it does. But I'm probably misunderstanding again.
This works better in some versions than others. If it doesn't work in
yours, tell us what version you are using so that someone can confirm
whether it's a version problem.
AnneNo.15 | | 989 bytes |
| 1/3/06, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
Tuesday 03 Jan 2006 02:16, Jan de Visser wrote:LL - you kill me!
So, how do you make sure you can select a
directory by typing the first letter of the directory name? :)
This works better in some versions than others. If it doesn't work in
yours, tell us what version you are using so that someone can confirm
whether it's a version problem.
Anne
KMail is 1.8.2, Kontact 1.1.2
It does work, sorta. I've used it for about 50 messages since
yesterday and of those 50, 30 went to different folders and it worked,
maybe 20% of the time. Sometimes it will go to, for instance, the
first "d" but not cycle through, other times it won't move anywhere
without the mouse and, a couple of times, after using the mouse I
could cycle through different letters. Very sporadic.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.16 | | 581 bytes |
| Derek Broughton schrieb:
It's easier to drag the message.
Actually - no, it is not. At least not in the
implementation. In , when you hit Ctrl+Shift+V,
a window pops up which *easily* allows to target the
correct folder. Depending on the nesting level and/or
number of folders, it *IS* easier to use this dialog
than to drag the message. With dragging, I sometimes
hit the wrong target folder, because the icons aren't
that huge.
Alexander Skwar
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.17 | | 782 bytes |
| Tuesday 03 Jan 2006 20:11, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Derek Broughton schrieb:
It's easier to drag the message.
Actually - no, it is not. At least not in the
implementation. In , when you hit Ctrl+Shift+V,
a window pops up which *easily* allows to target the
correct folder. Depending on the nesting level and/or
number of folders, it *IS* easier to use this dialog
than to drag the message. With dragging, I sometimes
hit the wrong target folder, because the icons aren't
that huge.
As always it's down to preference. In kmail, you can, of course
right-click, then Move To and navigate to the desired folder. My mouse
work is less reliable in this navigation than dragging, but whatever is
right for you ;-)
AnneNo.18 | | 554 bytes |
| 1/3/06, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
As always it's down to preference. In kmail, you can, of course
right-click, then Move To and navigate to the desired folder. My mouse
work is less reliable in this navigation than dragging, but whatever is
right for you ;-)
Anne
I've used the mouse, especially before I knew about "m", but again,
with many and multiple folder levels, it can be quite cumbersome.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.19 | | 1151 bytes |
| 1/3/06, Alexander Skwar <listen (AT) alexander (DOT) skwar.namewrote:
Derek Broughton schrieb:
It's easier to drag the message.
Actually - no, it is not. At least not in the
implementation. In , when you hit Ctrl+Shift+V,
a window pops up which *easily* allows to target the
correct folder. Depending on the nesting level and/or
number of folders, it *IS* easier to use this dialog
than to drag the message. With dragging, I sometimes
hit the wrong target folder, because the icons aren't
that huge.
My thoughts exactly - and, for good or evil, I have a lot of nested
folders (another reason I prefer not to filter all incoming e-mail as
well). will also remember folder status for the entire session
as well, so if you have to open up a couple of top-level folders once,
you don't have to do it each time.
So far Kmail's m shortcut is more helpful than nothing - and once I
get (or the next version gets) the letter cycling thing worked out,
I'll be back in business.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.20 | | 1229 bytes |
| Tuesday 03 Jan 2006 21:00, Brian Loe wrote:
My thoughts exactly - and, for good or evil, I have a lot of nested
folders (another reason I prefer not to filter all incoming e-mail as
well). will also remember folder status for the entire
session as well, so if you have to open up a couple of top-level
folders once, you don't have to do it each time.
My honest feeling is that there are many things in kmail that you just
don't discover until you have been using it for a while. You need to
play around with settings, to see just what they can do, and explore
menus when you're not in a hurry to complete a particular task. That's
why things like the keyboard shortcuts are not known by many people who
have used kmail for a long time. Maybe they don't need them. Maybe
they would use them if they knew.
With the best will in the world no-one else can exactly understand your
needs. Some things may be achievable easily in kmail but not by the
method you have used in the past. FWIW, I used nested folders as well,
but I don't think your needs and mine are the same.
Try to allocate yourself some 'play-time'.
AnneNo.21 | | 583 bytes |
| 1/4/06, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
Try to allocate yourself some 'play-time'.
As far as selecting folders via the keyboard, I play everytime I move
a folder - but it's pretty limited play as it is almost guaranteed a
bug. Can anyone confirm that for this version (haven't checked for an
update - but I'm trying to stick with what SuSE is providing)?
Again:
KMail 1.8.2
Kontact 1.1.2
KDE 3.4.2 level "b"
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.22 | | 676 bytes |
| Wednesday 04 Jan 2006 14:33, Brian Loe wrote:
1/4/06, Anne Wilson <cannewilson (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.ukwrote:
Try to allocate yourself some 'play-time'.
As far as selecting folders via the keyboard, I play everytime I move
a folder - but it's pretty limited play as it is almost guaranteed a
bug.
I wasn't thinking of that in particular - just general discovery time.
Can anyone confirm that for this version (haven't checked for an
update - but I'm trying to stick with what SuSE is providing)?
Again:
KMail 1.8.2
Kontact 1.1.2
KDE 3.4.2 level "b"
Not my version, sorry.
AnneNo.23 | | 540 bytes |
| No one has suggested a work-around or patch for the bug in selecting
folders by keyboard so I'm going to guess "bug" is the correct label?
Should I report it, where?
Also, I just noticed that you can't move between messages, in the
message pane, via the keyboard/arrow keys - instead it moves the
message preview up and down. Is this as intended? In other clients,
the keyboard/arrow keys affected which ever pane had focus.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.24 | | 1033 bytes |
| Thursday 05 January 2006 10:55, Brian Loe wrote:
No one has suggested a work-around or patch for the bug in selecting
folders by keyboard so I'm going to guess "bug" is the correct label?
Should I report it, where?
You mentioned before you're still on KDE 3.4 (kmail 1.8). I cannot reproduce
your problems on KDE3.5/kmail 1.9, so I would assume it got fixed. I would
verify that the problem is in fact gone once your distro gets around to
releasing KDE 3.5 before entering a bug on bugs.kde.org.
Also, I just noticed that you can't move between messages, in the
message pane, via the keyboard/arrow keys - instead it moves the
message preview up and down. Is this as intended? In other clients,
the keyboard/arrow keys affected which ever pane had focus.
Arrow left/right navigates between messages. This may seem odd at first, but
once you're used to it it is extremely convenient, since the arrows act the
same whichever kmail panel has focus.
JdV!!No.25 | | 1508 bytes |
| 1/5/06, Jan de Visser <jdevisser (AT) digitalfairway (DOT) comwrote:
Thursday 05 January 2006 10:55, Brian Loe wrote:
No one has suggested a work-around or patch for the bug in selecting
folders by keyboard so I'm going to guess "bug" is the correct label?
Should I report it, where?
You mentioned before you're still on KDE 3.4 (kmail 1.8). I cannot reproduce
your problems on KDE3.5/kmail 1.9, so I would assume it got fixed. I would
verify that the problem is in fact gone once your distro gets around to
releasing KDE 3.5 before entering a bug on bugs.kde.org.
Ahh, I see. Might go ahead and try 1.9 (if possible) and see if that
fixes it. It's very annoying to me. Shouldn't be KDE 3.5 dependencies
should there?
Also, I just noticed that you can't move between messages, in the
message pane, via the keyboard/arrow keys - instead it moves the
message preview up and down. Is this as intended? In other clients,
the keyboard/arrow keys affected which ever pane had focus.
Arrow left/right navigates between messages. This may seem odd at first, but
once you're used to it it is extremely convenient, since the arrows act the
same whichever kmail panel has focus.
Excellent already enjoying it - and it is easier, no need to move
fingers from arrows to go to the next e-mail or scroll down in an
e-mail!
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.26 | | 645 bytes |
| Thursday 05 January 2006 19:07, Brian Loe wrote:
Ahh, I see. Might go ahead and try 1.9 (if possible) and see if that
fixes it. It's very annoying to me. Shouldn't be KDE 3.5 dependencies
should there?
I checked today when doing a fresh installation, the meta package 'kde' from
experimental is not enough, a pb with kdemultimedia. But meta packages
kde-extras, kde-extras, kdeutils and kdepim, at least, look ok (although I
digged through all the list of packages - cross-check is necessary IM).
Cheers, JD.
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kdepim-users (AT) kde (DOT) orgNo.27 | | 1407 bytes |
| Thursday 05 January 2006 12:14, Werner Joss wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2006 16:55 schrieb Brian Loe:
No one has suggested a work-around or patch for the bug in selecting
folders by keyboard so I'm going to guess "bug" is the correct label?
Should I report it, where?
http://bugs.kde.org is the right place for that.
requires registration.
your distro's bugtracker - in most cases, that's just going to make it take
longer, though, as they'll just pass the request upstream unless it is
obviously something specific to the distro.
Also, I just noticed that you can't move between messages, in the
message pane, via the keyboard/arrow keys - instead it moves the
message preview up and down. Is this as intended?
probably :)
moving between messages is done via 'n' for next, 'p' for previous message.
'.' is used to open a collapsed thread.
n/p _or_ right/left. This has bugged me, a little, for some time, but I never
got around to doing anything about it. As I said much earlier in one of your
threads, Brian, _every_ keyboard shortcut in KDE - not just kontact/kmail -
is user configurable. Just go to the Kmail Settings menu, "Configure
Shortcuts", search for Next & Previous, and change the "alternate" keystroke
from "right" to "down" and from "left" to "up"No.28 | | 394 bytes |
| 1/5/06, Derek Broughton <auspex (AT) lincsatmail (DOT) comwrote:
As I said much earlier in one of your
threads, Brian, _every_ keyboard shortcut in KDE - not just kontact/kmail -
is user configurable. Just go to the Kmail Settings menu, "Configure
Shortcuts", search for Next & Previous, and change the "alternate" keystroke
from "right" to "down" and from "left" to "up"No.29 | | 875 bytes |
| Thursday 05 January 2006 19:59, Jean-Damien Durand wrote:
Thursday 05 January 2006 19:07, Brian Loe wrote:
Ahh, I see. Might go ahead and try 1.9 (if possible) and see if that
fixes it. It's very annoying to me. Shouldn't be KDE 3.5 dependencies
should there?
I checked today when doing a fresh installation, the meta package 'kde'
from experimental is not enough, a pb with kdemultimedia. But meta packages
kde-extras, kde-extras, kdeutils and kdepim, at least, look ok (although I
digged through all the list of packages - cross-check is necessary IM).
Realizing that in the meantime this is now fixed; an 'apt-get [-t unstable]
install kde' should now install straightaway kde 3.5.0. Enjoy (so do I)!
Cheers, JD.
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