I have an account with giganews, and in their privacy statement they
tell, that they save no records about the things I download Then, to be
sure, I emailed Tech. Support and asked them, what happens if I download
music, videos, movies or anything that is illegal or copyrighted They
told me that downloading no matter what was , that, they really dont
monitor or save any logs about my downloading actually, they told me
the only thing they go after is child porn (posting) but not even for
downloading this kind of stuff.
They also told me that when I download no matters what in USENET, my IP
adress is not seen by anyone because I only download trough their server
and they keep it safe as well.
So my downloading are entirely anonymus and safe.
What do you think about all of this statements
Anyone have any experience with this issue ?
NTE that im just talking about downloading, not posting.
Thankyou very much.

Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.dewrites:

>Paranoic <frwe@f.comwrote:

>They also told me that when I download no matters what in USENET, my IP
>adress is not seen by anyone because I only download trough their
>server

>Well, it IS seen by them, but it's true: You only connect to their
>server, so nobody except you, them, and the ISPs between the two
>locations will see the traffic

Yes, in particular all of the many many many routers between you and them
see your IP address, since they have to know where to send the packet.
Usually they send it on and forget it, but one could easily set up the
router to remember everything they sent to your IP. Now, in general, if the
two machines are widely separated, different packets can travel different
routes, so any particular packet might miss any particular router. This
becomes less and less true the closer the router is to the source or
destination.


>and they keep it safe as well.

>Unless they get sued to release that data - all to fight terrorism, of
>course ;-)

Why do they remember it at all? Do they keep records of it? (of course log
files will typically have the IP all all requests recorded in them). What
is their policy with respect to their log files? Are they erased after one
day, one week, one month, one year, or permanantly recorded on tape?


>Juergen Nieveler

>Atheism is a non-prophet organization

Their policy states that not even one minute of download log they will
be loggin uploads. So If thats what they say, I moast asume that its true.
If not, how can they tell me that I have been downloading some sort of
material if first they stated that they will not be looking at my
activities. Even if this is not true, they dont have the right to go and
tell you that you have been observed unlawfully.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Paranoic wrote:

I have an account with giganews, and in their privacy statement they
tell, that they save no records about the things I download Then, to be
sure, I emailed Tech. Support and asked them, what happens if I download
music, videos, movies or anything that is illegal or copyrighted They
told me that downloading no matter what was , that, they really dont
monitor or save any logs about my downloading actually, they told me
the only thing they go after is child porn (posting) but not even for
downloading this kind of stuff.

They also told me that when I download no matters what in USENET, my IP
adress is not seen by anyone because I only download trough their server
and they keep it safe as well.
So my downloading are entirely anonymus and safe.

What do you think about all of this statements

Anyone have any experience with this issue ?
NTE that im just talking about downloading, not posting.

Thankyou very much.

They might be telling the truth. Are there policies "on paper" so to speak?
Also, I would be carefull of embedded DRM Ses like Vista (coming out
soon).
-- Imhotep